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More than half the vehicles on the lot at my local Toyota dealer are Tundras or Tacomas. Counted 40 total when I was there yesterday. SR5s in particular are not moving very fast, even w/3-4K discounts on the window. Saw a beautiful TRD-OR LB in bronze oxide with all the fixins' but its just not...

My local Toyota dealer is stuffed to the gills with Tacomas, mostly SR5s, but a few sports and ORs too. They need to move those soon. Hot deals to be had.

Typical Toyota BS that you have to drive these until the transmissions fail. Imagine getting ready to pull the boat a thousand miles or some other long adventure. Not sure I would even attempt it with a 4th gen under the TSB.

WTF cares how either bed looks. The key is to get the bed configuration that best suits your needs, parking situation, etc. The LB is more challenging to park but offers more utility. If you are a truck camper, its a no brainer.

Hope you get 150K easy-peasy out of her. With all the positive reports I may very well change my mind in '25 if $$$ allow.

Thats awesome. I fully appreciate what it feels like to really like your truck; I like mine as much now as the day I bought it. Actually more now that its somewhat personalized. If I were needing to move into a mid-size, a Tacoma would be at the top of the list if only because I prefer a 6-ft...

Its obviously a better truck but, inflation or not, the 2024s are too expensive at MSRP for most to seriously consider, especially those with a proven V6. If the new hybrid truck had been rated at 30 MPG as had been initially rumored, the purchase costs would have been more justifiable and the...

Awesome you are digging your new ride. I'm one of those 3rd gen owners who will not take the leap anytime soon. I love my 2019 TRD-OR, LB with the Pro wheels and a camper shell, and to replace that setup would just be too damned expensive to justify. In ~4 years I should be rolling 150K on...

Log your MPG on Fuelly for a couple of months and note any driving conditions that might be affecting it. I think the average is 19.6 on about 25 vehicles logged so far. You should at least be able to match that number and probably easily beat it driving conservatively.

Start a Fuelly log and see where it stands after a couple of months. There's only af few '24s and no hybrids.

I really want a Long bed hybrid and the TH is the only way to get there. Unfortunately all the unnecessary add-ons,, (most notably the snorkel), and the high cost (to me) make it a no-go. Hopefully a LB hybrid in some other trim becomes available in the coming years.

I'm of the same X generation and have similar background growing up, but the "the younger generation doesn't work as hard" refrain has been used by older generations from time immemorial. If anything, its the older generations that have taken, taken, and then taken some more. I'm impressed...

Thats standard operating procedure for a dealership to give you a seemingly incredible deal and then neutralize it with a low-ball trade offer. What seems to good to be true usually is. Why not sell the older vehicle on CL or FB and just buy the truck at 47K?

Yeah, its definitely not saving the planet. If you really babied it maybe you could achieve its published numbers but thats easier done in a Prius. I think the F-150 hybrid gets better numbers. Crazy.

19.6 MPG under ambient conditions at 70 MPH. Not too unexpected given the underperformance of the Tundra-hybrid (in terms of MPG; not torque). Could probably squeeze better MPG if you "hypermile" it like a Prius, LOL.

The market will correct the overpricing (I believe the trucks are indeed overpriced). Give it 6-12 months. Do not understand for the life of me WTH they stuck those dumb seats in the Pro. Will cost sales. Ditto snorkel on the TH.

These mild hybrids are a stop gap measure by Toyota. It won't be long (2-3 years) before more heavily or fully electrified versions are offered. If not, Toyota will get squeezed in the mid-size segment.

The window sticker for an OR-hybrid (posted somewhere in this forum yesterday) advertises 22/24/23 MPG. So, no net gain on the highway versus the gasser. Somewhat disappointing, but its been clear for a long time that the iForce-Max is not MPG oriented.

Can't disagree with this. Usually the hybrid option (Rav4, Highlander, CR-V, etc) will net you at least 5 MPG over the ICE version of the same vehicle (currently +10 MPG for the Rav4 hybrid). If its only a 2 MPG gain, or less than 10%, its hard to stomach the extra cost, loss of storage, and...

The 23 MPG combined for the Tacoma hybrid is disappointing especially since the Tundra hybrid badly underperforms its EPA rating. Perhaps the 2025 RamCharger will change the calculus on truck electrification (or fail spectacularly).