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Yep, just like their answer about my truck not keeping the 12 volt battery charged. Their response was "you need a trickle charger". I didn't even explain to the idiot why that was stupid, and why what you really need is a battery maintainer. My lifetime combined average fuel economy is 7 mpg...

Good questions. I have had many other Toyota products and there have been almost no issues with any of them. I'm not sure what is going on with 4th gens, but something has obviously changed.

I don't think it is across the board, since my transmission temp goes up in these situations, but never above about half way. These transmissions are strange. Some shift perfectly and some shift like crap. Some overheat and some don't. Some last a long time and some fail. WTF is going on?

I thought that the impaired lockout thing was on hold or delayed in the US. Even if it does happen I don't think it will be on Canadian models unless your government mandates it. Update: Yeah that is still something in progress. The NHTSA has said that it is not reliable enough to implement...

Yeah, they used to be. I agree, this is unacceptable and I don't think Toyota cares.

I've had multiple trucks with Toyota OEM bed mats and they are great. Super thick and heavy and nothing slips around. I don't try to keep it perfect because it is a truck and I use it to haul stuff. But it would probably clean up and look like new if I cared to do that.

No, I don't expect Toyota to do anything, particularly since my wife's battery electric and a friend's plugin hybrid have the same issue. I love my truck and charge if when I have to, but this should be Toyota's problem and not ours.

Yes, strange charging system in the hybrids. My truck jumps from its resting SOC to the low 14V range when I first start it. Then it fairly quickly drops down 12.8V and mostly stays there, so it is not a surprise that hybrid 12V batteries have short lives. I guess as long as they last for the 24...

I just got an email today warning me that my free service plan was about to expire. Now I will have to pay them to break my truck if I want to take it to them. I wonder what I will do?

I have had my Pro for almost two years now and I absolutely love it. I have had multiple off road trucks and multiple Tacos, but this is nicest truck I have ever owned. So unless you can't handle the limited rear seat legroom I say go for it. The limited legroom and loss of the underseat...

I did try that once and Brand Engagement told me that they can't do anything until a problem is diagnosed by a dealer. If your dealer says your truck is fine, then Toyota corporate won't open a case or help you in any way.

I don't know if this is true, but charts I have seen say that a 12 volt is only 50% charged at 12.2 volts, which is what mine often is.

Yeah me too, but I figure some day I will have to bite the bullet and let them attack my truck.

Sounds about right. I don't trust any dealer, Toyota or otherwise, so I do most of my service myself. I only take it in to get recalls cleared, and then I hold my breath that they don't screw anything up when they do them.

Some people think that the alternator in the newer trucks is not used to charge the 12 volt, which seems strange. Toyota does not reveal details like that, so I don't know if that is true or not. I have talked to people who don't drive their hybrids with an alternator often and some of them...

That is about where my 12 volt sits if I never put my charger on it. Before I started to trickle charge it, it would sometime be under 12 volts, but the truck would still turn on. If I do trickle it from time to time it is more like 12.3-12.4 V. That is better and might help the battery last...

Yeah, that is what I thought too. That is quite a claim for an aluminum fuel tank that to me seems to be vulnerable. I assume there will be more information coming as the delivery date gets closer.

The difference between Toyota and Lexus that I have found is how honest they are. Toyota just says my truck is fine and this it is my fault for not driving it enough. End of discussion, I can figure out what I want to do and it does not involve them. They have to know that their hybrid...

No, not at all. I have driven only Toyota products for years. I spent more on this truck than I ever thought I would for a Toyota and it is the first one I don't 100% feel like I can trust. Not a good feeling. But once I realized that Toyota doesn't care about my truck or even my next purchase...

I gave up hoping that my truck could keep its 12V charged or that Toyota would do something to fix it. It is in my garage right now with a trickle charger on it, and if I do that every 1-2 weeks it is fine. My wife's RZ can't keep its 12V charged either and it has gone stone dead several times...