Low Profile Front Bumper Evaluation- Ones that don't move the sensors

[Romer]

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

I have found myself looking at winch weights today I don't use my winch on my Land Cruiser much. Mostly to help vehicles get unstuck. Once to get up a hard obstacle with a dedcated winch point. However, I did use it once to pull myself out of a snow drift and to move a big rock in my yard

The winch is not a hard requirement, but may creep in there. My main reason against is I just swapped the springs for Alldogs. Gained 1.6" in front and about 2" in the rear. Thinking a winch and bumper would droop about 0.5", maybe less. Why I asked about the crash bar. 0.5" droop is my guess with a 150 pound add. If the crash bar is 40 pounds, then droop may only be 0.33" vs 0.5"

Then going with the lighter CBI would likely bring it down to .25. In reality, those droop amounts are not that big a deal.

I did look at 1/2" spacers to put on top of the shock stack today. I read that size likely wouldn't impact anything negatively.

That is one drawback to working these evaluations in public. You get to see any requirements creep

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[gofastdan]

For sure. When I bought my truck I planned on doing very little to it. Now it's almost completely built out for full time overloading.

I expected the winch/bumper combo to pull my front end down but surprisingly, it really didn't. To your point, maybe .25" but that's not enough for me to do anything about.

 

[Romer]

I ran a little experiment. Not 100% accurate because the weight would be at the end of the frame rails which would apply more down force

8 gallons of water and 6 gallons of Tea (Ran out of water). Assume each is 8.3 lbs = 116 lbs

The droop in the front was about .25"

This simulates a bumper and winch minus the crash bar

Pike Bumper (81 lbs) + Warn VR EVO 10-S Winch (70lbs)- Bumper Removal (35lbs??)= 116 lbs net weight gain - weights from RCI website for bumper and winch

The Badlands 12K winch is 67lbs per Harbor freights web site

Bumper removal is crash bar, the dodad ?? in front of it and the bottom plastic peice. I guessed 30-40 lbs and using 35 until I have a better number

Note that I have the AllDogs springs which are supposed to be slightly stiffer than stock (Verbal from AllDogs)

This was one of my concerns with adding a winch having just upgraded my springs. This rough test is sufficient for me to show a winch on the heaviest bumper I am considering isnt an issue. Lighter bumper would be even less.

 

[FlyAngler]

Now you just need to take those jugs for a ride to see how the front end handling is affected. LOL What could go wrong!

 

[Toyotimothy]

I ran a little experiment. Not 100% accurate because the weight would be at the end of the frame rails which would apply more down force

8 gallons of water and 6 gallons of Tea (Ran out of water). Assume each is 8.3 lbs = 116 lbs

The droop in the front was about .25"

This simulates a bumper and winch minus the crash bar

Pike Bumper (81 lbs) + Warn VR EVO 10-S Winch (70lbs)- Bumper Removal (35lbs??)= 116 lbs net weight gain - weights from RCI website for bumper and winch

The Badlands 12K winch is 67lbs per Harbor freights web site

Bumper removal is crash bar, the dodad ?? in front of it and the bottom plastic peice. I guessed 30-40 lbs and using 35 until I have a better number

Note that I have the AllDogs springs which are supposed to be slightly stiffer than stock (Verbal from AllDogs)

This was one of my concerns with adding a winch having just upgraded my springs. This rough test is sufficient for me to show a winch on the heaviest bumper I am considering isnt an issue. Lighter bumper would be even less.

I weighed the crash bar that I took off mine. Approximately 40 lbs give or take a little. So good guess. My pike 81 lbs and x bull winch approximately 59 lbs 140 total? I guess I didn’t think about the weight from the crash bar. I ended up only adding about a hundred pounds. I ordered Dobinson c59-822 front coil springs for a 2” lift but I was basing it on the 140 lbs. Do you think I should have taken a different route? I don’t want a stiff ride.

 

[Romer]

I weighed the crash bar that I took off mine. Approximately 40 lbs give or take a little. So good guess. My pike 81 lbs and x bull winch approximately 59 lbs 140 total? I guess I didn’t think about the weight from the crash bar. I ended up only adding about a hundred pounds. I ordered Dobinson c59-822 front coil springs for a 2” lift but I was basing it on the 140 lbs. Do you think I should have taken a different route? I don’t want a stiff ride.

Thanks for the measurement.

On the springs, are you lifting the rear as well? I think its more about the height then being too stiff.

Some folks like their trucks level, not me. I like some rake and even some extra since I tow.

You have the measurements from my experiance. what will .25" droop do for your current setup or with your new front springs? I do like the Front and Rear Alldogs lift I got. You could always get springs for the rear to match the front.

It really depends on what you want to end up with.

For me, I liked the stock rake and even a little extra is OK. That is why I changed all 4 springs

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