The Age Old Debate: Toyota vs Jeep

[ixo]

A picture is worth 1000 words.

My brother had his Liberty break down near Weed, CA. I drove up to rescue him

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[OminousSkitter]

It’s a Jeep thing™

 

[Cappaworks]

Oh boy, let’s be honest. They both have flaws. I’ve owned 5 Toyota trucks over the years and numerous Jeeps. I recently got out of a Jeep Gladiator and into a new Tacoma. There are some things that the Gladiator does better than a Tacoma and there are a few things the Tacoma does better than a Gladiator. Don’t get all wrapped up and blinded by brand loyalty. They both suck at times. Towing a 15-ish year old Jeep with a new Tacoma is hardly proving anything. Especially one of the least liked model Jeeps ever produced,. Geez.

 

[Ascent]

Love hanging out with my Jeep brethren.

 

[fjtotaco]

Short story I was all about jeeps then my YJ started having issues ,leaks ect. so I bought a new TJ.
60K miles and then oil leaks, exhaust manifold issues and steering. I got stuck in the desert with my kids and I was over it. I always Liked Toyota Trucks and said yes. I bought a 2007 FJ Cruiser and my son still drives it to this day off road. I've had a gen 2 and drove it for years with no issues.
My gen 4 takes me places and gets me HOME. All my Toyotas have and I do not even worry. No more jeeps for me...

Olympic Mountains, WA

 

[OminousSkitter]

Oh boy, let’s be honest. They both have flaws. I’ve owned 5 Toyota trucks over the years and numerous Jeeps. I recently got out of a Jeep Gladiator and into a new Tacoma. There are some things that the Gladiator does better than a Tacoma and there are a few things the Tacoma does better than a Gladiator. Don’t get all wrapped up and blinded by brand loyalty. They both suck at times. Towing a 15-ish year old Jeep with a new Tacoma is hardly proving anything. Especially one of the least liked model Jeeps ever produced,. Geez.

At first I was going to reply how a Tacoma vs Liberty is like a Rubicon vs RAV4, but then I realized that’s not what OP was suggesting. The comparison is about build quality and quality control. The Jeep broke down. “It’s a Jeep thing."

I want to like Jeeps. I have a 2dr; it’s a lot of fun to drive. There’s stuff it can do better than any competitor. But
Stellantis has done what it can to minimize costs and maximize profits, and it shows in the engineering and production quality.

My clutch alone had 3 recalls due to fire risk, and their fix isn’t a new clutch design but software to guess if your clutch might be overheating. A significant portion of the 3.6L pentastars (current version not previous) will have a blown head gasket and/or will eat its own cams by 100K miles. They didn’t properly heat shield the coolant tank for their 2.4L turbo, and it cracking is common enough people carry a spare when off-roading. They proved they still need a lot of effort to get a hybrid that won’t burn down your house with the 4xe. I could keep on going.

Yes, the current Toyota has its QC issues too (TRD Off Road shocks for one), but they seem to be able to design a vehicle that can make it 200,000 miles without major repairs, and I just don’t see that out of Jeep.

 

[Cappaworks]

At first I was going to reply how a Tacoma vs Liberty is like a Rubicon vs RAV4, but then I realized that’s not what OP was suggesting. The comparison is about build quality and quality control. The Jeep broke down. “It’s a Jeep thing."

I want to like Jeeps. I have a 2dr; it’s a lot of fun to drive. There’s stuff it can do better than any competitor. But
Stellantis has done what it can to minimize costs and maximize profits, and it shows in the engineering and production quality.

My clutch alone had 3 recalls due to fire risk, and their fix isn’t a new clutch design but software to guess if your clutch might be overheating. A significant portion of the 3.6L pentastars (current version not previous) will have a blown head gasket and/or will eat its own cams by 100K miles. They didn’t properly heat shield the coolant tank for their 2.4L turbo, and it cracking is common enough people carry a spare when off-roading. They proved they still need a lot of effort to get a hybrid that won’t burn down your house with the 4xe. I could keep on going.

Yes, the current Toyota has its QC issues too (TRD Off Road shocks for one), but they seem to be able to design a vehicle that can make it 200,000 miles without major repairs, and I just don’t see that out of Jeep.

it might be just a bit premature to think that these Toyota turbo four cylinders will make it to 200,000 miles. Time will tell for sure. I will say that of all the truck manufacturers, I would trust Toyota to be able to do it the most.

 

[OminousSkitter]

it might be just a bit premature to think that these Toyota turbo four cylinders will make it to 200,000 miles. Time will tell for sure. I will say that of all the truck manufacturers, I would trust Toyota to be able to do it the most.

I agree that only time will tell with the current generation, but in general Toyota has been making vehicles that get to 200K. I’ll bet on them before Stellantis any day, and that’s not brand loyalty.

 

[Cappaworks]

I agree that only time will tell with the current generation, but in general Toyota has been making vehicles that get to 200K. I’ll bet on them before Stellantis any day, and that’s not brand loyalty.

Oh I get it, but I’m not one to keep cars for 200,000 miles anyway. My last 148,000-mile Tacoma was about to spit a head gasket when I got rid of it. I’ve taken several heavily modified Jeeps over 100,000 without issue and recently let a 105,000 mile Jeep Gladiator go with not a single issue the whole time I had it, including regular towing 4500-5000 pounds and lots of off-road miles. Honestly, I’d never wanna own any brand to 200,000 miles. I travel to rural places and don’t want to be stranded by something silly. Everyone has different vehicle needs.

 

[Ascent]

Oh I get it, but I’m not one to keep cars for 200,000 miles anyway. My last 148,000-mile Tacoma was about to spit a head gasket when I got rid of it. I’ve taken several heavily modified Jeeps over 100,000 without issue and recently let a 105,000 mile Jeep Gladiator go with not a single issue the whole time I had it, including regular towing 4500-5000 pounds and lots of off-road miles. Honestly, I’d never wanna own any brand to 200,000 miles. I travel to rural places and don’t want to be stranded by something silly. Everyone has different vehicle needs.

It’s pretty common jeeps start seeing issues start from the 110k to 130k. Camshafts are an issue with the Gladiator. For awhile it was a problem to get OEM replacements. I haven’t been keeping track as of lately though.

I used to be heavily into Jeeps. My last Wrangler (JL) had tons of electrical gremlins. That was one reason I switched to Toyota.

My father is still a jeep guy his current JL is at low mileage and so far so good.

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