EPA to ban the Start/Stop Feature

[goin2drt]

Legit one of the things I looked at before buying. I would not buy a vehicle with it.

I was the same way. If I turned it off and the car did not remember that and I had to disable each time getting in I did not buy the car.

It is the most stupid, beuacratic POS system ever invented and it did NOTHING for the environment.

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[Slappy]

there is one non-earth upside to the start/stop issue
the starter's are way way more robust than in the good old days by a long shot .
myself I turn it off at the 1st stop light & that action is almost automatic now in my brain

 

[Duck Amuck]

It's annoying, unsafe, and causes extra wear and tear.

I've owned multiple vehicles with auto start/stop, never found it annoying. But to each their own.

I don't buy that it's unsafe or causes extra wear and tear. Idling is terrible for your engine and the environment.

 

[WKTJR1]

 

[CrispyTacoLover]

Never understood the irrational hate for this feature. It actually saves fuel in city driving, and it doesn't ask much in return.

I hate it.

 

[Andrace]

I've owned multiple vehicles with auto start/stop, never found it annoying. But to each their own.

I don't buy that it's unsafe or causes extra wear and tear. Idling is terrible for your engine and the environment.

Here is an article describing how bearing coatings are required to endure the repetitive dry starts experienced as a feature of start/stop.

Start/stop reduces emissions at scale, with the tradeoff of wear and tear and reduced life of the starter and engine friction surfaces. It also requires an AGM battery to cope with the heavy draw from the starter.

https://www.enginebuildermag.com/20...re developed to,coated with a polymer coating.

 

[Duck Amuck]

Here is an article describing how bearing coatings are required to endure the repetitive dry starts experienced as a feature of start/stop.

Start/stop reduces emissions at scale, with the tradeoff of wear and tear and reduced life of the starter and engine friction surfaces. It also requires an AGM battery to cope with the heavy draw from the starter.

https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2021/04/polymer-coatings-are-a-real-turning-point-for-performance-engine-bearings/#:~:text=Polymer coatings were developed to,coated with a polymer coating.

Thanks for that.

Maybe I should have phrased my comment differently. I don't believe that start/stop causes unintended wear and tear. Vehicles that have it as a feature are engineered with that in mind, as your link shows.

Do I think start/stop should be able to be turned off in memory? Sure, some people don't like it. Do I think it should be banned? No, that's a bizarre idea motivated by partisan politics, not science.

 

[goin2drt]

Thanks for that.

Maybe I should have phrased my comment differently. I don't believe that start/stop causes unintended wear and tear. Vehicles that have it as a feature are engineered with that in mind, as your link shows.

Do I think start/stop should be able to be turned off in memory? Sure, some people don't like it. Do I think it should be banned? No, that's a bizarre idea motivated by partisan politics, not science.

and it was created by partisan politics, not science.

 

[Duck Amuck]

and it was created by partisan politics, not science.

Look, I don't want to go to far down the rabbit hole of politics because that's not what this forum is far, but I think you're off base there.

Auto start/stop has been around since the 70s. It does, demonstrably, save fuel.

Saving fuel and protecting the environment should not be partisan politics, but that's a whole different animal.

 

[RokeHi]

I have the start/stop feature in my PreRunner but I have a button to shut it off. Personally I do not like it but that's what came in the truck I wanted.

 

[DENNISD]

Look, I don't want to go to far down the rabbit hole of politics because that's not what this forum is far, but I think you're off base there.

Auto start/stop has been around since the 70s. It does, demonstrably, save fuel.

Saving fuel and protecting the environment should not be partisan politics, but that's a whole different animal.

I completely agree with you.


It often feels like when we create something that benefits the environment—even in a small way—people dismiss it if the impact isn’t immediately visible. There’s a tendency to believe that if the results aren't instant or dramatic, they’re not worth the effort.


Sadly, I think future generations will look back at us with disappointment and wonder why we didn’t do more when we had the chance.

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