EPA to ban the Start/Stop Feature [LOCKED DUE TO POLITICS]

[goin2drt]

While it’s true that Congress holds the power to make laws, agencies like the EPA are not overstepping—they're operating within authority that Congress itself has delegated. Congress often passes broad legislation and relies on agencies to handle the technical details, enforcement, and implementation. This isn't a flaw in the system; it's a practical necessity.


Modern environmental challenges are complex, requiring specialized knowledge and timely responses. Congress isn’t equipped to regulate the safe levels of mercury in drinking water or establish emissions standards for hundreds of industries on its own—that’s why it creates agencies staffed with experts. These agencies don’t make laws; they create rules within the framework of laws already passed by elected representatives.


Moreover, agencies like the EPA are subject to checks and balances. Their rules can be challenged in court, overturned by Congress through legislation, or blocked via the Congressional Review Act. They're also required to follow public comment periods and justify their regulations through evidence and impact assessments.


If we want effective, science-based protections for public health and the environment, we need competent regulatory agencies. Weakening them in the name of limiting bureaucracy could leave us with slower responses, more pollution, and less accountability where it actually matters.

So then how was this (your quote) " No, that's a bizarre idea motivated by partisan politics, not science. " when you specifically call out the EPA is subject to checks and balances. So if this is a good thing then bi partisan politics wouldn't be the reason for eliminating it. Or was it bi-partisan politics that drove the EPA to institute it to begin with and now bi partisan politics is eliminating it. You don't get it both ways. It was not bi partisan and the EPA did a great thing with checks and balances etc in place to institute it but now all of a sudden there are no checks and balances but bi partisan politics is getting rid of it.

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[TacoFreak]

The use of start/stop tech did not come from an EPA rule. It was started by vehicle makers hoping to reduce their CAFE scores. That is why in the early days some companies used it and others did not. It was never mandated by the EPA or banned.

At some point the EPA started to give credits to vehicles with start/stop that slightly reduced their CAFE scores. That did encourage more automakers to start using it. Now they will stop doing that and vehicle makers can decide to keep it or not on their own. If it significantly helps their CAFE ratings then it will probably remain, and if not it will go. That is pretty much how this stuff should work IMO.

So it was not imposed on us by some government mandate from one political camp or the other, and whether it remains or not is a corporate decision just like starting it in the first place was.

 

[DENNISD]

So then how was this (your quote) " No, that's a bizarre idea motivated by partisan politics, not science. " when you specifically call out the EPA is subject to checks and balances. So if this is a good thing then bi partisan politics wouldn't be the reason for eliminating it. Or was it bi-partisan politics that drove the EPA to institute it to begin with and now bi partisan politics is eliminating it. You don't get it both ways. It was not bi partisan and the EPA did a great thing with checks and balances etc in place to institute it but now all of a sudden there are no checks and balances but bi partisan politics is getting rid of it.

Well I guess if that were me that made said quote, " No, that's a bizarre idea motivated by partisan politics, not science. " you would have a valid point.

That was not me but another poster.

 

[goin2drt]

Well I guess if that were me that made said quote, " No, that's a bizarre idea motivated by partisan politics, not science. " you would have a valid point.

That was not me but another poster.

I stand corrected.

Still don't see how all this is partisan yet the EPA has all these checks and balances. So it was a great idea (with science, checks and balances) and will help the environment when they instituted it but now all of a sudden it is a bad idea again with all these said checks and balances.

My take is the EPA and many agencies have been partisan for decades and fundamentally that is the issue when things should be dictated by science. Sadly though as we saw during covid even the "science" can be partisan and manipulated.

 

[Duck Amuck]

Still don't see how all this is partisan yet the EPA has all these checks and balances. So it was a great idea (with science, checks and balances) and will help the environment when they instituted it but now all of a sudden it is a bad idea again with all these said checks and balances.

Because the current administration, who appointed the present EPA administrator, is blatantly partisan.

 

[Delirious]

I don’t believe we have that in the Taco’s but we do have the stupid message that tells you that I will shut the vehicle off after a certain time of running.

The shortest amount of time is an hour. I don't want my truck running for an hour if I get tied up before I can get into it to drive after it started. I would like options such as 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes and then the hour.
No we don't have it. It's on the 26's is coming.

 

[oxi]

Science today is flawed and ultra-political.

Global warming is flawed science based more on political leaning than actual science.

Just look at what happened in Spain just a few weeks ago after they went full "renewable" energy grid? Boom, the system crashed and had to go back to oil and coal based to get the grid back. As I always state, I warned you all about solar panels and wind turbins for energy source.

Greenland core data shows we are entering a cooling period, and we are nowhere near how warm the Earth was like during Roman times and so forth. Also ice cap has been growing, where is the media on that fact?

Also note the sun will be entering a minimal period next cycle, thus cooling trend into next decade likewise.

Maybe they were right back in the 1970's that another ice age is coming and not this phony global warming stuff?

By the way, if Congress and its lackey, the EPA did not have such strict CAFE standards, we would not get stop/ start nonsense. We the people are getting really lazy allowing this stuff under our watch.

Lefties push EV's and now righties scale them back and all the welfare handouts we the people pay for.

My 2022 Corolla is a more effiecent vehicle than 20 years ago Corolla. Thermal effiency has improved giving me 500 mile range on just 10 gallons of fuel.

Moral of story, let competition and markets dictate innovation, not forced government regulations where we all lose and could end up with all EV's and pickup truck bans someday.

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