Our SR didn't come with a resignator

[BLtheP]

Huh

You have MT though, higher output T24A, I guess they put resonators on those, interesting

Probably. Wonder what difference the power output makes. I’d think the engines all sound about the same whether they’re limited in power or not. Who knows

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[izzy]

I didn’t mean it from a performance standpoint, I mean‘t with how close the exhaust gets to the leaf springs due to how far back they had to make the rear leaf mounting points to accommodate it compared to how much space there is with the rear coils and the track bar mounting points. I think the Tacoma is the only TNGA-F platform that offers rear leaf springs.

There's a lot of shit on the 4G that seems very... disjointed.. Like the teams designing stuff were all remote and on different timezones lol that doesn't work by the way ask me how I know...

There's some massive "why would they do it that way??" oversights

At least the core shit is fine, engine and trans.

If I had $30,000 when I was 19 I'd have bought one of these new:
in 2015:

And I'd still have it to this day lol

But now they're all a terrible value and cost more than my SR 4x4 new + 10 years old, or clapped and still 10 years old and still $25,000 lol

 

[KDubZ]

The whole stock exhaust system on these trucks is a little wacky. The way they routed it and the size of the tip and placement makes zero sense. They did it right on the 6G 4R not sure why they chose such a large exit in a bad spot for the Tacoma.

I agree, it would have been nicer if it had the exhaust off the 6G 4Runner, or better yet they all came with trail pipe off the Trail Hunter. The stock exhaust always looked strange to me with how low it sat compared to how high the side of the bed and rear bumper were. I think the way they routed the exhaust is also the reason why the spare tire is off center when looking from the back of the truck.

 

[KDubZ]

There's a lot of shit on the 4G that seems very... disjointed.. Like the teams designing stuff were all remote and on different timezones lol that doesn't work by the way ask me how I know...

There's some massive "why would they do it that way??" oversights

At least the core shit is fine, engine and trans.

If I had $30,000 when I was 19 I'd have bought one of these new:
in 2015:

And I'd still have it to this day lol

But now they're all a terrible value and cost more than my SR 4x4 new + 10 years old, or clapped and still 10 years old and still $25,000 lol

I definitely would have got a Gen 2.5 in Blue Ribbon Metallic with the 4.0L if I had the money in 2015. I think it was the missed opportunity when the 3rd Gen’s came out and they had the 3.5L, they should have came with the updated 4.0L from the 5th Gen 4Runner’s. I almost got a Calvary Blue 2019 DCLB TRD Sport Tacoma back in 2019, but after test driving the 2019 4Runner I felt the power train was much better, that and liked the Nautical Blue over the Calvary Blue, and I still have that 4Runner to this day.

 

[BLtheP]

I think it was the missed opportunity when the 3rd Gen’s came out and they had the 3.5L, they should have came with the updated 4.0L from the 5th Gen 4Runner’s.

100% agreed. The 3.5L they gave us was a terrible choice. If I could have had a 3rd gen truck with the dual VVTi 1GR and a 4th gen manual transmission + manual transfer case, I’d be in dream land. The engine was the number one reason for me to get the 4G because I hated the 3G engine.

 

[izzy]

100% agreed. The 3.5L they gave us was a terrible choice. If I could have had a 3rd gen truck with the dual VVTi 1GR and a 4th gen manual transmission + manual transfer case, I’d be in dream land. The engine was the number one reason for me to get the 4G because I hated the 3G engine.

Agreed, I have zero interest in a 2GR FKS truck. Camry motor in a truck is a no go.

Even the 2TR-FE is more of a truck engine than the 2GR.

 

[BLtheP]

Agreed, I have zero interest in a 2GR FKS truck. Camry motor in a truck is a no go.

Even the 2TR-FE is more of a truck engine than the 2GR.

It was embarrassingly weak for having “more power” over the 4.0L. They were definitely hyping the numbers to sell it. Sadly its reliability is really not looking so hot either. Just an utter disappointment for what is one of the coolest truck platforms ever in my opinion. I liked almost everything about the truck except that engine.

 

[izzy]

It was embarrassingly weak for having “more power” over the 4.0L. They were definitely hyping the numbers to sell it. Sadly its reliability is really not looking so hot either. Just an utter disappointment for what is one of the coolest truck platforms ever in my opinion. I liked almost everything about the truck except that engine.

No shot it had "more power"

Idk driving a manual 1GR truck spoiled me and it wasn't even new. It had 140k probably abusive miles and it would still haul ass when you got on it. Would easily light up the tires if you wanted.

I hate to boomer it up but "no replacement for displacement" checks out for the 1GR. Aside from pissing oil out of all the holes (mine wasn't leaking though) they're very good motors.

The responsiveness of the 1GR was nice, no waiting for spool or anything.

Meanwhile 2GR trucks are blowing up before 100k LOL

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[KDubZ]

100% agreed. The 3.5L they gave us was a terrible choice. If I could have had a 3rd gen truck with the dual VVTi 1GR and a 4th gen manual transmission + manual transfer case, I’d be in dream land. The engine was the number one reason for me to get the 4G because I hated the 3G engine.

Thats why I’m glad Toyota brought the Tacoma/4Runner formula back again and made the 4th Gen Tacoma and 6th Gen 4Runner share majority of their parts again (including power trains). The 3rd Gen Tacoma and 5th Gen 4Runner was the only generation where almost nothing were shared with each other. Every generation before that were literally the same vehicle, or sharing majority of parts with each other “Toyota Pick Up and 1st & 2nd Gen 4Runner”, “1st Gen Tacoma & 3rd Gen 4Runner“ and “2nd Gen Tacoma & 4th Gen 4Runner“. Could you imagine if they would have put the 4.7L 2UZ-FE from the 4th Gen 4Runner into the 2nd Gen Tacoma.

 

[KDubZ]

Agreed, I have zero interest in a 2GR FKS truck. Camry motor in a truck is a no go.

Even the 2TR-FE is more of a truck engine than the 2GR.

The pattern I see with truck engines is the ones that feel like truck engines have torque ratings higher than their horsepower ratings. That’s part of the reason why the 2TR-FE feels more like a truck engine, and why I felt the 4.0L in the 5th Gen 4Runner was more of a truck engine than the 3.5L in the 3rd Gen Tacoma, even though the ratings were similar between the two, 270 HP and 278 TQ vs 278 HP and 265 TQ. The 2TR-FE may not be the most powerful thing out there with 159 HP and 180 TQ, but it definitely felt like a truck engine should.

 

[izzy]

The pattern I see with truck engines is the ones that feel like truck engines have torque ratings higher than their horsepower ratings. That’s part of the reason why the 2TR-FE feels more like a truck engine, and why I felt the 4.0L in the 5th Gen 4Runner was more of a truck engine than the 3.5L in the 3rd Gen Tacoma, even though the ratings were similar between the two, 270 HP and 278 TQ vs 278 HP and 265 TQ. The 2TR-FE may not be the most powerful thing out there with 159 HP and 180 TQ, but it definitely felt like a truck engine should.

2TR reminds me of a 22RE on crack lol My first vehicle ever was a 1993 Pickup 2WD with 22RE and 5 speed and it was a good motor aside from a fatal flaw of the timing chain eating through the timing cover...

The 1GR is perfect for trucks because it's just big. So much rotating inertia. On my 2G 6MT you couldn't stall it if you tried, it was sweet. It also pulled like a freight train in 6th gear even at 60mph.

I like the T24A-FTS, but I am not a fan of the gearing on these trucks. Way too tall for a 2.4L engine. It also doesn't surprise me the manual has anti-stall because usually small displacement turbo engine + heavy vehicle is a difficult combo to drive. My 2.0 FA20DIT WRX was harder to drive out of boost than my 2.5 EJ 255 WRX hatchback. Lighter rotating assembly = easier to stall.

There's no replacement for displacement, even when it comes to turbos. The T24A being 2.7L would help the out of boost driving experience a lot.

 

[KDubZ]

It was embarrassingly weak for having “more power” over the 4.0L. They were definitely hyping the numbers to sell it. Sadly its reliability is really not looking so hot either. Just an utter disappointment for what is one of the coolest truck platforms ever in my opinion. I liked almost everything about the truck except that engine.

The 6 Speed Auto they paired with it also didn’t do any favors. Reliability wise, the 2GR-FKS definitely wasn’t as trouble free as the 1GR-FE that came before it, and in my opinion may not be as trouble free as the T24A-FTS we currently have. Things we have seen with the 2GR-FKS Tacomas at the dealership ranged from Leaking Valve Covers, The notorious Front Timing Cover leak, Leaking Coolant Bypass on the back of the engine, Burnt Valves, Cracked Cylinder Heads, Scored Cylinder Walls, we even had a 2021 not make it to its 5,000 mile service before sending a rod through the block. Supposedly the 2GR-FKS has a known flaw when off-roading, that when articulated such as when rock crawling or climbing a steep hill, the oil can’t flow back to the pan fast enough from the heads and ends up starving the engine of oil and blowing the engine. You can definitely tell the 2GR-FKS was never designed for truck applications and was just haphazardly tossed into the 3rd Gen. This is probably why the 5th Gen 4Runner soldiered on with the updated 1GR-FE for another 8 years after the 3rd Gen Tacoma came out instead of switching to the 2GR-FKS.

 

[KDubZ]

No shot it had "more power"

Idk driving a manual 1GR truck spoiled me and it wasn't even new. It had 140k probably abusive miles and it would still haul ass when you got on it. Would easily light up the tires if you wanted.

I hate to boomer it up but "no replacement for displacement" checks out for the 1GR. Aside from pissing oil out of all the holes (mine wasn't leaking though) they're very good motors.

The responsiveness of the 1GR was nice, no waiting for spool or anything.

Meanwhile 2GR trucks are blowing up before 100k LOL

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Yep, definitely seen this condition at the dealership quite a few times. This video explains the downfalls of this engine.

 

[KDubZ]

2TR reminds me of a 22RE on crack lol My first vehicle ever was a 1993 Pickup 2WD with 22RE and 5 speed and it was a good motor aside from a fatal flaw of the timing chain eating through the timing cover...

The 1GR is perfect for trucks because it's just big. So much rotating inertia. On my 2G 6MT you couldn't stall it if you tried, it was sweet. It also pulled like a freight train in 6th gear even at 60mph.

I like the T24A-FTS, but I am not a fan of the gearing on these trucks. Way too tall for a 2.4L engine. It also doesn't surprise me the manual has anti-stall because usually small displacement turbo engine + heavy vehicle is a difficult combo to drive. My 2.0 FA20DIT WRX was harder to drive out of boost than my 2.5 EJ 255 WRX hatchback. Lighter rotating assembly = easier to stall.

There's no replacement for displacement, even when it comes to turbos. The T24A being 2.7L would help the out of boost driving experience a lot.

I like my T24A-FTS, to me it feels almost like a small diesel (Definitely sounds like one). When I drive mines, most of times I can drive without using much boost and just cruise around at about 1500 rpm. Then when I need to climb a steep hill, without having to push the gas much it’ll downshift and stick around 2000-2500 rpm and about 50% boost until the hill is done. The only thing that kind of worries me a little is when you first drive the truck after it’s been sitting for a while, the shifting from the transmission feels kind of drawn out and sudden, but once it warms up it’s fine. I’m pretty sure it’s just the viscosity of the ATF they have installed from the factory or maybe they slightly under filled it from the factory…I’m not sure.

 

[BLtheP]

The 6 Speed Auto they paired with it also didn’t do any favors. Reliability wise, the 2GR-FKS definitely wasn’t as trouble free as the 1GR-FE that came before it, and in my opinion may not be as trouble free as the T24A-FTS we currently have. Things we have seen with the 2GR-FKS Tacomas at the dealership ranged from Leaking Valve Covers, The notorious Front Timing Cover leak, Leaking Coolant Bypass on the back of the engine, Burnt Valves, Cracked Cylinder Heads, Scored Cylinder Walls, we even had a 2021 not make it to its 5,000 mile service before sending a rod through the block. Supposedly the 2GR-FKS has a known flaw when off-roading, that when articulated such as when rock crawling or climbing a steep hill, the oil can’t flow back to the pan fast enough from the heads and ends up starving the engine of oil and blowing the engine. You can definitely tell the 2GR-FKS was never designed for truck applications and was just haphazardly tossed into the 3rd Gen. This is probably why the 5th Gen 4Runner soldiered on with the updated 1GR-FE for another 8 years after the 3rd Gen Tacoma came out instead of switching to the 2GR-FKS.

Yeah, that 6 speed choice was trash for a small V6. Terrible gearing when combined with the 3.91 axle ratio. And yep, the engines are known for a boatload of potential issues. People love to brag about how well theirs are still running but that doesn't mean tomorrow it won't have developed one of the issues. The intake runner flap that breaks is another thing to add to the engine issue list. Just overall a terrible choice in a truck. Seems like the number of cylinder scoring and valve burning engines just keeps climbing as well. I'm truly interested to watch and see the future. I'm curious if there will be more and more at a faster rate or if the problems will mostly die off and stop being talked about. I imagine the numbers will grow as they get older.

Anywho, I'm not sad to see my V6 go and am excited for the T24A and honestly think it will hold up significantly better. Other than having a turbo driving it, it is a simpler engine in general. No coolant crossover, layered timing cover design to eliminate leak prone joints at the block/head, and just in general a lot less parts since it's a single bank I4 instead of a dual bank V6.

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