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This turbo design might be why the tuner dynos are showing a drop off of power as the engine rpm is in its higher range, when trying to extract more power. To me, it means that Toyota researched this design thoroughly, and gains can be made, but hard to achieve anything at the higher end of the rom range.
Agree. Interesting we have shifted from high revving engine similar to a VTEC opening up over 4K to a very low end grunty powertrain
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Agree. Interesting we have shifted from high revving engine similar to a VTEC opening up over 4K to a very low end grunty powertrain
Exactly and that is what a truck needs, not crazy Tesla 0-60 stunts.
 

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So the split exhaust channels run to two different impellers attached to the same turbine? All the diagrams seem to show one impeller.
The center housing rotating assembly/CHRA has one intake impeller, and an exhaust impeller design that has two exhaust impellers that are the same CHRA center shaft. Each exhaust impeller set is to capture exhaust gas from the exhaust manifold by utilizing thermal, kinetic, and exhaust impulse energy. I do not know the firing order, but IF the engine had a firing order of 1-2-3-4, the isolated exhaust from cylinders 1 and 3 would spin up one exhaust side impeller, and exhaust gas 2 and 4 would spin up the remaining exhaust impeller. The exhaust manifold/header design is important for a twin scroll turbocharger to gain any benefit from the twin scroll turbocharger design. Each of those exhaust impellers are placed inside an isolated “snail” section for exhaust gases- the exhaust housings that isolate each set of exhaust impeller blades are dedicated for thr upstream exhaust gas- so exhaust gas from cyl 1 and 3 would be channeled to exhaust impeller “A” and cyl 2 and 4 would be channeled to exhaust impeller “B”
 
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The center housing rotating assembly/CHRA has one intake impeller, and an exhaust impeller design that has two exhaust impellers that are the same CHRA center shaft. Each exhaust impeller set is to capture exhaust gas from the exhaust manifold by utilizing thermal, kinetic, and exhaust impulse energy. I do not know the firing order, but IF the engine had a firing order of 1-2-3-4, the isolated exhaust from cylinders 1 and 3 would spin up one exhaust side impeller, and exhaust gas 2 and 4 would spin up the remaining exhaust impeller. The exhaust manifold/header design is important for a twin scroll turbocharger to gain any benefit from the twin scroll turbocharger design. Each of those exhaust impellers are placed inside an isolated “snail” section for exhaust gases- the exhaust housings that isolate each set of exhaust impeller blades are dedicated for thr upstream exhaust gas- so exhaust gas from cyl 1 and 3 would be channeled to exhaust impeller “A” and cyl 2 and 4 would be channeled to exhaust impeller “B”
That is so cool and makes sense. I’d love to cut one open lol. Only confusing part is - does the exhaust gas that goes over impeller A keep going over impeller B as well or is it taken out of the system before that?

Edit - the scrolls dump into the impellers perpendicularly - so my question makes no sense - they would each hit a fan / impeller and then collect on the other side and exit the turbo - if I’m imagining it right in my head
 
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Agree. Interesting we have shifted from high revving engine similar to a VTEC opening up over 4K to a very low end grunty powertrain
I am not certain, but I believe that camshaft timing is also adjusted on this engine, like a VTEC/VANOS.. almost every automotive manufacturer utilizes this on current engine platforms. Combined with direct injection fuel timing, this in itself, creates more power and efficiency. I don’t even see indicated boost in lower gears when driving.. but I keep the truck in ECO mode and for the most part, drive mellow.
 

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That is so cool and makes sense. I’d love to cut one open lol. Only confusing part is - does the exhaust gas that goes over impeller A keep going over impeller B as well or is it taken out of the system before that?

Edit - the scrolls dump into the impellers perpendicularly - so my question makes no sense - they would each hit a fan / impeller and then collect on the other side and exit the turbo - if I’m imagining it right in my head
You have answered your own question, perfectly! It is an isolated circuit that hinders the turbo charger design at high rpm but makes much more power in it’s “sweet spot”
 
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You have answered your own question, perfectly! It is an isolated circuit that hinders the turbo charger design at high rpm but makes much more power in it’s “sweet spot”
I enjoy nerding out on this shit.

Is it not as good at higher rpm because these are smaller impellers and the flow to them is halved?
 

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My 97 project car does not keep the fans on after shut off, so not all vehicles do that.
 

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I enjoy nerding out on this shit.

Is it not as good at higher rpm because these are smaller impellers and the flow to them is halved?
The smaller isolated ports that utilize exhaust gases from two of the four cylinders are smaller and don’t flow as well at high rpm, volume restriction… but if the system is designed properly, it will make significantly more power between 4k to 5.5k rpm…. Having a single exhaust scroll turbo set up to capture more power at redline may not make up
For power gains from a twin scroll at low to mid range rpm…
 

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The smaller isolated ports that utilize exhaust gases from two of the four cylinders are smaller and don’t flow as well at high rpm, volume restriction… but if the system is designed properly, it will make significantly more power between 4k to 5.5k rpm…. Having a single exhaust scroll turbo set up to capture more power at redline may not make up
For power gains from a twin scroll at low to mid range rpm…
And that combined with a well programmed transmission and the hybrid is why this powertrain is never caught flat footed. No matter what the situation is I find my truck is always responsive and strong and it feels better than the old V6 engines that people were freaked out about losing. The turbo four alone feels so much better than my Taco with a 4L V6 ever did.
 

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And that combined with a well programmed transmission and the hybrid is why this powertrain is never caught flat footed. No matter what the situation is I find my truck is always responsive and strong and it feels better than the old V6 engines that people were freaked out about losing. The turbo four alone feels so much better than my Taco with a 4L V6 ever did.
This turbo4 8speed is why I bought the gen4. I always wanted a Tacoma but every time I test drove one the gen2/3 power train quickly ended the deal. It is sooo much improved!
 

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I will run the engine for at least 30-60 seconds if the engine will be off for a while. If I stop for gas or other shorter stops I don't idle the engine before shut down. 90% of the time if I turn on the tow/haul mode when stopped the engine starts back up, then when the time us up I turn the tow/haul mode back off and turn off the engine. Weirdly enough every now and then the engine will not start back up when I turn the tow/haul mode on. When this happens seems like if I shift to N and back to D the engine will turn back on. If I am doing long hwy drives or towing then I will definitely make sure the engine idles for at least a minute. Gonna continue to do this unless I find out Toyota has a way to keep the water/oil flowing to the turbo after the engine is off. 2024 TRD Off Road hybrid.
 

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I will run the engine for at least 30-60 seconds if the engine will be off for a while. If I stop for gas or other shorter stops I don't idle the engine before shut down. 90% of the time if I turn on the tow/haul mode when stopped the engine starts back up, then when the time us up I turn the tow/haul mode back off and turn off the engine. Weirdly enough every now and then the engine will not start back up when I turn the tow/haul mode on. When this happens seems like if I shift to N and back to D the engine will turn back on. If I am doing long hwy drives or towing then I will definitely make sure the engine idles for at least a minute. Gonna continue to do this unless I find out Toyota has a way to keep the water/oil flowing to the turbo after the engine is off. 2024 TRD Off Road hybrid.

It's probably worthwhile getting a Scan Gauge, and it's a crime Toyota didn't put the actual oil temp on the dash just a dumb bar.

Cruising down the freeway the oil temp doesn't get higher than it does after 20 mins of city driving (unless you're going up some serious grades).

If the oil temp on my gauge is below 210 when I come to a stop I just turn the truck off. If it's above that I let it idle for 60 seconds.

Oil temp won't drop much below 200 anyways when the truck is warmed up, intentionally. Helps maintain oil viscosity and cooks off water in the oil.. and intentional for MPG as higher engine cyl temp generally results in cleaner burn, but potentially more knock risk.

I'd never turn off right away if the engine if the oil temp is at 230-240F, let that sucker idle for a while. The circumstances you'd have to get into for that to happen would be probably rare though. Offroad maybe or an emergency stop up a grade. Offroad I just let the truck stay running whenever we come to a stop for a while.
 
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It's probably worthwhile getting a Scan Gauge, and it's a crime Toyota didn't put the actual oil temp on the dash just a dumb bar.

Cruising down the freeway the oil temp doesn't get higher than it does after 20 mins of city driving (unless you're going up some serious grades).

If the oil temp on my gauge is below 210 when I come to a stop I just turn the truck off. If it's above that I let it idle for 60 seconds.

Oil temp won't drop much below 200 anyways when the truck is warmed up, intentionally. Helps maintain oil viscosity and cooks off water in the oil.. and intentional for MPG as higher engine cyl temp generally results in cleaner burn, but potentially more knock risk.

I'd never turn off right away if the engine if the oil temp is at 230-240F, let that sucker idle for a while. The circumstances you'd have to get into for that to happen would be probably rare though. Offroad maybe or an emergency stop up a grade. Offroad I just let the truck stay running whenever we come to a stop for a while.

But hybrids can’t idle.

My engine oil stays pretty low. Typically less than 205. It’s my transmission fluid that rises above 200 regularly.
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