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Totally agree with you, man. I've been around long enough to see people recommending all kinds of products with dubious claims that were never objectively verified or that, in some cases, were proven to be non-sense.
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They happen on every forum. This one is, so far, very nice and civil. Some of the ones on NASIOC got outright nasty.
Agreed, most dudes have been nice. Only two dicks so far and one got banned.
 

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Here we go someone said NASIOC. 🍿2hat happened to those guys anyways. 😂
 

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That is interesting considering the "diesel like" sound you hear is coming from the injectors and high pressure fuel rail.
There are two kinds of snake oil. There was the 19th century folk remedy from actual Chinese water snakes where the chemistry made sense as pain relief. Then came the type that fools people.

I'm sticking with the idea that a known brand of oil that meets an engineering specification is exactly that and good.

This was long ago now, but in our fleet then we followed a few new semi tractors and light trucks life with oil analysis after break in. Synthetic type and not the brand is what was shown to be superior. Fleet was not my responsibility late in my career but the fleet people said that had not changed. They stood on getting the right spec at a good price was most important.
 

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Guys, I am not bashing Amsoil products - they maybe a great products and alot of people swear by them. My concern is Amsoil will not state or guarantee their products meet or exceed the manufacturers specifications. If there is an oil related warrenty issue, using products that are not proven to meet the specifications would make it easy for Toyota to not accept the issue and void the warrenty claim.
 

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I can't see Toyota taking it that far and opening up that can of worms; Amsoil isn't exactly a new, fly by night company.
 
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Guys, I am not bashing Amsoil products - they maybe a great products and alot of people swear by them. My concern is Amsoil will not state or guarantee their products meet or exceed the manufacturers specifications. If there is an oil related warrenty issue, using products that are not proven to meet the specifications would make it easy for Toyota to not accept the issue and void the warrenty claim.
Admittedly influenced by fleet and enterprise operations experience plus age I stick to a manufacturer's terms during warranty period and often beyond. Also get service performed at the dealers. It has never been any significant expense and has had times when I got coverage past warranty or the dealer on my side. The point of the fleet and work ops was that greater scale was showing more instances when it makes a difference.
 

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So I'll throw my hat into this ring. I've been a long time Amsoil fan. Their fuel system cleaner (PI Fuel System Cleaner) has been amazing across both my Tacoma, and my previous Truck. While I've been trying to save money on oil this time around, since I'm changing every 3-5k on my truck, I flipped to using the Costo Kirkland brand. A week ago I've been intrigued with the Valvoline Clean and Protect oil. Research that if you wanna find out good things! I can tell you that my engine is actually silent now (just over 30K miles), so clearly -- to me this Valvoline oil is better than that Kirkland brand (no knock on it. It rates very well).

Furthermore I've drained both of my diffs same day I did the oil change and filled with Amsoil 75w-85 severe gear and man what a difference. The driveline is nearly silent, and zero lash or whip back at low speeds now. Just feels smoother. Damn if I'm not impressed.

Did the Transfer case tonight with Amsoil 75w-90 although I've not driven since refilling with that as of yet. Soon the Transmission is up, have 6 quarts of Amsoil ATF ready to go. Longtime proponent of their products.
 
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So I'll throw my hat into this ring. I've been a long time Amsoil fan. Their fuel system cleaner (PI Fuel System Cleaner) has been amazing across both my Tacoma, and my previous Truck. While I've been trying to save money on oil this time around, since I'm changing every 3-5k on my truck, I flipped to using the Costo Kirkland brand. A week ago I've been intrigued with the Valvoline Clean and Protect oil. Research that if you wanna find out good things! I can tell you that my engine is actually silent now (just over 30K miles), so clearly -- to me this Valvoline oil is better than that Kirkland brand (no knock on it. It rates very well).

Furthermore I've drained both of my diffs same day I did the oil change and filled with Amsoil 75w-85 severe gear and man what a difference. The driveline is nearly silent, and zero lash or whip back at low speeds now. Just feels smoother. Damn if I'm not impressed.

Did the Transfer case tonight with Amsoil 75w-90 although I've not driven since refilling with that as of yet. Soon the Transmission is up, have 6 quarts of Amsoil ATF ready to go. Longtime proponent of their products.
0W 20 on the Restore and Protect? "Silent" is impressive.
 
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0W 20 on the Restore and Protect? "Silent" is impressive.
I should point out that my Taco just rolled 30K miles, and It has become quite a bit more quiet staring around 24K miles. I barely hear the injector pulses anymore as I once did.
 

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My understanding is that the Valvoline Restore and Protect is essentially a cleaning oil, almost like a regular oil combined with an engine flush.
 

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Man I love these statement but I guess I'm just as foolish to keep posting when I read these.

So 1 "Amsoil will not state or guarantee their products meet or exceed the manufacturers specifications*

To answer this um yes they do as I've stated it's all over Amsoil website. Does it state Toyota, Honda, North America blah no. Does it state the specs yes.

2 the certification to " state this oil is certified to meet blah spec" is a pure money grab that Amsoil can not only afford but requires to pay.

3 " If there is an oil related warrenty issue, using products that are not proven to meet the specifications would make it easy for Toyota to not accept the issue and void the warrenty claim". Have you ever heard of this, filed any claim of warranty claim, understand the process of a claim, or have read a refused "claim" by a manufacturer? If not listen up. Any and all said claims are claims that the Manufacturer has full right to deny at any time, e.g. if you do your own oil changes this too can " void" said warranty. When I say any and all I mean any and all at the manufacturer/dealers discretion.

4 in short don't drink the snake oil FDA red #5 is not good despite them saying it is. 😂

Guys, I am not bashing Amsoil products - they maybe a great products and alot of people swear by them. My concern is Amsoil will not state or guarantee their products meet or exceed the manufacturers specifications. If there is an oil related warrenty issue, using products that are not proven to meet the specifications would make it easy for Toyota to not accept the issue and void the warrenty claim.
 

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My understanding is that the Valvoline Restore and Protect is essentially a cleaning oil, almost like a regular oil combined with an engine flush.
Yes, and No. It's not an engine flush in that sense, however it is a "cleaning" oil, and most importantly, it keeps, or will clean clogged oil control rings. Once those are gummed up with returned crankcase gases via the PCV system over time, your engine will suffer from excessive oil consumption, and cylinder "wash-down" where the fuel coming into the cylinder for ignition purposes slides past all those rings and washes down your cylinder walls, scoring pistons, walls, etc.

If you want to view some more on the subject, I recommend the following, a couple of 500K mile Ecoboost (garbage) engines. There's a story behind the two engines if you care to dig further, but both survived 500K miles, however one on full synthetic, the other on conventional oil, which is why one is darker than the other.

But to be sure, it's fully featured oil which meets all of the proper requirements as the others we might consider using.

 

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Man I love these statement but I guess I'm just as foolish to keep posting when I read these.

So 1 "Amsoil will not state or guarantee their products meet or exceed the manufacturers specifications*

To answer this um yes they do as I've stated it's all over Amsoil website. Does it state Toyota, Honda, North America blah no. Does it state the specs yes.

2 the certification to " state this oil is certified to meet blah spec" is a pure money grab that Amsoil can not only afford but requires to pay.

3 " If there is an oil related warrenty issue, using products that are not proven to meet the specifications would make it easy for Toyota to not accept the issue and void the warrenty claim". Have you ever heard of this, filed any claim of warranty claim, understand the process of a claim, or have read a refused "claim" by a manufacturer? If not listen up. Any and all said claims are claims that the Manufacturer has full right to deny at any time, e.g. if you do your own oil changes this too can " void" said warranty. When I say any and all I mean any and all at the manufacturer/dealers discretion.

4 in short don't drink the snake oil FDA red #5 is not good despite them saying it is. 😂
1. I can find no place that states Amsoil complies with ISLAC GF-6A. There are numerous references to meeting some of the individual specifications requirements but not the specification as a whole.

2. Related to rejection of the warrenty, please review the Magnuson-Moss Warrenty Act.
 

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What is it about oil that makes people get their panties in such a wad?
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