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hence I will wait for a turbo, as the factory turbo is limited and a CAI is NOT going to get to where I need to go. That said if you are OK with ending at a CAI, I like the Banks; but IMO the money would be better spent on an intercooler which "frees up some HP" and helps in overall reliability and in the bigger scheme of things is not that much more expensive vs a CAI.
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Astute observations. Yes, we alter the cross-sectional area at the MAF sensor. We are just shy of the safe AFR limit. There's one intake that produces more power but it runs the engine too lean in our opinion.

Regarding long lasting gains, we've tested several aftermarket intake equipped Tacomas over a period of months and they have not "learned" the new MAF. The increased horsepower lasts as long as the intake is installed.
Good to know, every vehicle is different.
 

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I'm a fan of the banks ecosystem. Their parts are well-designed, very well supported, and the only brand with road-legal parts in CA. I have dual idash, pedal monster, and sensor expansion. I won't be getting the intake because of the filter, but I have boost tubes ready to install, and I'm looking forward to the intercooler and inlet elbows to complete the package.

The iDash alone is really nice to have.

That said, it's not perfect, the iDash mount prevents the visor from going all the way forward, which is annoying. Managing the page layouts for two idash with the phone app could be better. I can't save two unique dash layouts, so after each firmware update, I reflash the page layouts to both and modify one to get back what I had before the firmware upgrade.

No plans for an oiled air filter or exhaust system. I'm looking for long-term reliability and easy visibility of temps, sensor values, etc.
 

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I kind of lean that way too, hence I went with intercooler, tune, and for now a hole cut in the air box facing the fender for a little sound. If I do an exhaust it will be a true 3" to the turbo downpipe and reasonably quite. Hard to beat the stock 2.5 muffler as that sucker is huge had no neck downs as far as I can tell and yes I cut the front pipe off just for a look see.
 

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I'm a fan of the banks ecosystem. Their parts are well-designed, very well supported, and the only brand with road-legal parts in CA. I have dual idash, pedal monster, and sensor expansion. I won't be getting the intake because of the filter, but I have boost tubes ready to install, and I'm looking forward to the intercooler and inlet elbows to complete the package.

The iDash alone is really nice to have.

That said, it's not perfect, the iDash mount prevents the visor from going all the way forward, which is annoying. Managing the page layouts for two idash with the phone app could be better. I can't save two unique dash layouts, so after each firmware update, I reflash the page layouts to both and modify one to get back what I had before the firmware upgrade.

No plans for an oiled air filter or exhaust system. I'm looking for long-term reliability and easy visibility of temps, sensor values, etc.
We’ve tested the Stealth Pod mount in a few dozen trucks and the visor has always cleared. When you have a moment, please see if your visor can slide to the right, thereby allowing it to deploy and clear the iDash.

Do you have two iDashes? How are they mounted? We only made a single pod for the 4th Gen.

We have a whole new interface coming to the mobile app in the next few weeks. You’ll find it easier and even more intuitive.

Prior to updating the firmware, be sure to save the layout using the app. You’ll find a save/restore feature in the menu. Save the settings before updating. Then you can restore the layouts after the update if they are lost.
 

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We're genuinely sorry to have lost you a potential customer.

However, our marketing will not change. Here's why.

The automotive aftermarket has a relatively low barrier to entry. And, few people actually fact check manufacturers' claims. There are a few brands that are notorious for stating bogus claims. We've called out BS marketing and poorly engineered parts for nearly 70 years because a few bad parts or false claims can drag down an entire industry. Take for example cold air intakes. A filter at the end of a tube, open to hot engine air, is not a cold air intake. It's a hot air intake. An intake like this can actually lose power, not gain. It's up to us and others to point that out. Otherwise, we get lumped in with them. There are countless YouTube videos of guys trying to prove that cold air intakes do not add power. We've fought this for years, not just because we manufacture them, but because it's not always true. Case is point is the Tacoma intake. Ours adds 18.3 hp.

Regarding SXTH and K&N. If SXTH was alone in the market, it would be an acceptable intake. But they're not alone. We've released one that is superior. And, we're going to continue to say it. As we said before, it's like football. You can't let your competitor score a single point. We are not belittling them. We are competing against them. Mark, their engineer, is a smart cookie. He's going to read every word we print and make sure he doesn't give us the advantage next time. He will likely improve his products, partly based on our criticism.

Regarding K&N, it is a poorly designed intake. It has a foam lid, allowing hot air in. It's not a cold air intake if it lets in hot air.

Regarding community, we own Tacomas and have attended Toyota events for fun, for years.

Regarding the take-over of social media, most people don't frequent groups or forums every day. They have busy lives. The only way to reach these busy people is with frequency.

Thank you for the great back-and-forth.
Well said! I am looking forward to joining the Banks community.
 

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We’ve tested the Stealth Pod mount in a few dozen trucks and the visor has always cleared. When you have a moment, please see if your visor can slide to the right, thereby allowing it to deploy and clear the iDash.

Do you have two iDashes? How are they mounted? We only made a single pod for the 4th Gen.

We have a whole new interface coming to the mobile app in the next few weeks. You’ll find it easier and even more intuitive.

Prior to updating the firmware, be sure to save the layout using the app. You’ll find a save/restore feature in the menu. Save the settings before updating. Then you can restore the layouts after the update if they are lost.

The double dash mount is on your website.
https://bankspower.com/products/63380-63381-idash-stealth-pods-24-tacoma?variant=43530755408069
Started with a single, went to a double, neither cleared the visor.


You can save and restore one layout, not two, that's what I'd like resolved in the app.
 

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The double dash mount is on your website.
https://bankspower.com/products/63380-63381-idash-stealth-pods-24-tacoma?variant=43530755408069
Started with a single, went to a double, neither cleared the visor.


You can save and restore one layout, not two, that's what I'd like resolved in the app.
Of course you're right about the dual pod application. Not sure why we forgot about the dual option. Regarding the visor not deploying, we'll investigate immediately.

Can you tell us what firmware version you're running on the iDash Pro and mobile app?
 

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Of course you're right about the dual pod application. Not sure why we forgot about the dual option. Regarding the visor not deploying, we'll investigate immediately.

Can you tell us what firmware version you're running on the iDash Pro and mobile app?
App is 2.2.6
Idash firmware is 1.12.0

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Thanks for the info. Your iDash and App are up to date. We'll have our firmware team know that we need to save more than one page layout.
 

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A tune can be worth the investment, especially when paired with the benefits of running an intake. However, tuning is only an option for people who are willing to risk voiding their warranty, since a tune leaves a footprint on the ECU even after being flashed back to stock.

In comparison, adding just an intake will not void the warranty and can easily be removed if needed without leaving any footprint behind.
True dat, Cobb does say it DOES NOT leave a flash count. I've been modifying new cars since the 70s, and one of my friends from the 70s would always "stock is best for guys that don't know how to work on cars". For me the vast majority of my cars still had paper plates when the the car was 30 % apart. I had the LT1 out of my 2016 Camaro sometime before summer of 2016 as an example. So yeah warranty, sorry I ain't waiting that long. I'll take the risk, it is a Toyota. As a caution I tell dudes all the time if you don't have 5k to 10K of ready cash, leave it alone.

Here is my Camaro... still running don't know how, a true mechanical mystery to me. Built 427 engine huge cam, 18 PSI of boost on E85, supercharger is rated at 1100 HP, I push it a bit past that.
 

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I don't have any issue with either product, but it does rub me the wrong way that "marketing" has extended to having a large Facebook group run by someone who gets a cut every time his code is used to buy a particular product that then pushes that product endlessly, including deleting inquires or information on competitors.
100% agree. I'm starting to think they should just rename that group Rob's Bank Power Group😂
 

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@Diablo Taco Despite Cam's dyno test, the Ram-Air produces 18hp WHP and we're standing by it. We like Cam. We will not dispute his tests. However, we test 5 days a week for consumer and defense products. Accuracy is paramount to us and our clients.

We've battled competitors for more than six decades. In fact, we enjoy the competition. It sharpens our sword.

We encourage Tacoma owners to look closely at the follow, closely.

Performance
We stand behind our 18.3 hp gain and invite more dyno operators to test the Ram-Air.

Design
Look closely at the differences between Banks and SXTH. Because performance is our priority, it leads all design efforts. Compare the filters. Compare the intake tubes. Compare the thickness of plastic parts. Compare the side inlet. SXTH didn't bother to get a TRD Pro intake to scan. They designed an inlet that "looks" like the TRD snorkel interface but doesn't actually work. Granted very few people will connect a snorkel. The point is that it was lazy engineering.

Fit and finish
We designed every inch of the Ram-Air Intake to fit as good or better than OE. Compare the injection molded hood seal to SXTH's door seal. Compare our massive, organically shaped intake tube to SXTH's stock sized tube with 90° bends. Compare filters. Theirs is so small it whistles like when someone is breathing through a straw. To some, that may be cool. But all we see is lost power potential.

Sound
When Banks side inlet cover (which SXTH doesn't include), the Ram-Air intake is nearly as loud as SXTH. The sound of the Ram-Air however, is a deeper tone because of the larger air filter. It's more of a growl than a whistle. And, while we chose to seal the enclose to prevent power-robbing hot air from entering the intake, SXTH allows air to enter the box through the gap around the plexiglass window. This is also how some sound is escaping.

Water intrusion
While we appreciate when customers convert from another brand to Banks, we'd rather not have anyone fill up their intake with water for lack of drainage. We've heard from half a dozen former SXTH intake owners who've found pools of water at the bottom of their intake housing. This speaks to difference in experience between the two companies.

Company history
We've innovated intake systems since the late 1950s. When you buy an intake system, you're buying a wealth of knowledge compiled over six decades.

While we beat SXTH on this intake by all metrics, we have a feeling they're step up their game and the battle will get even more interesting over time. We welcome the challenge.

Go here for visual comparisons.

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Drainage Comparison.webp
You guys make a superior product i habe ran your intakes on 3 vehicles. I have also used some other brands to compare.. you can 1000% tell the quality difference in a banks. People are entitled to their opinions but then again alot of people opinions are not facts… your the only company that actually does the homework all the way through rather than rushing to market.
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