Good advice. I had some codes cleared the last time my dealer had my truck, and I have to wonder what they were for.
Yeah - the transmission failures are on Toyota, but the dealer didn't check out the truck the first time it was in and used the lame "learning software" excuse to avoid doing their job. That is not the sign of a good dealer, but maybe there aren't anymore of those left at this point.
Until the warranty expires, the risk is really minimal at best.
My truck is covered under that TSB, but I was not aware that they would do anything once the powertrain warranty expires. If your are correct, that would give me a new perspective on whether I keep my truck long term or not. I don't think the TSB would even apply to trucks which are not in the VIN ranges listed, which I am sure this truck is not.
So TSB goes beyond the warranty?
I don't believe it does. I think it only clarifies what Toyota will do if your transmission is in one the VIN ranges listed in the TSB and is still in warranty. Once the powertrain warranty is over I think all bets are off and we are on our own.
If it was a recall yeah. They didn't do a recall because I assume there's a few cases where the transmission might have unintended shifting behavior, but it'll last 100,000 miles anyways.. they don't really care beyond that because the useful life of a vehicle as defined by manufactures. The emissions equipment is warrantied for 80,000 miles, so I think that's a decent determinator of what Toyota believes is the useful lifespan of a 4G Tacoma. The Hybrid battery is warrantied for 150,000 miles.
If it was a recall yeah. They didn't do a recall because I assume there's a few cases where the transmission might have unintended shifting behavior, but it'll last 100,000 miles anyways.. they don't really care beyond that because the useful life of a vehicle as defined by manufactures. The emissions equipment is warrantied for 80,000 miles, so I think that's a decent determinator of what Toyota believes is the useful lifespan of a 4G Tacoma. The Hybrid battery is warrantied for 150,000 miles.
"Accordingly, staff is proposing a 0.005 g/mi credit toward the NMOG+NOx
standard for manufacturers who warrantee their vehiclesā emission control systems for
the full 15 year/150,000-mile useful life."
Toyota turned down this emissions credit and stuck with 80k. Says something to be honest.
So you wind up with people complaining, which is valid, but their truck wasn't going to break right away. The fix though, is still simply replace the transmission, because Toyota dealerships do not repair stuff, they just send out the busted core and it gets recycled/re-man.
But for the ones that blow up off the lot, they'll replace without question. These cases are the minority.
I decided to get the 10yr/125k mile and I'm praying if the trans goes it'll go before the warranty is up
That quote was from here:
I kid, not sure 5mg/mi NOx ends up being much difference.
That quote was from here:
PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION PAPER āAMENDMENTS TO CALIFORNIAāS LOW-EMISSION VEHICLE REGULATIONS FOR CRITERIA POLLUTANTS ā LEV III
Which according to this website, the credit was ultimate adopted:
https://dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_ca.php
As for the Hybrid battery, 150k mi was mandated by the state of California:
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/california-vehicle-and-emissions-warranty-periods
In my opinion, Toyota should warranty the emissions equipment for 150k minimum, cause these cats are gonna be expensive when they go. Being stolen is unlikely.
They could have used the credit and run a less lean tune on the engine or something, or added 5hp
Didn't really mean to sidetrack this thread but the tl;dr is:
If Toyota wasn't a greedy corpo they'd recall replace all the transmissions in the TSB VIN range... the emissions stuff above is just further proof they really don't give a fk about you or your vehicle after 60,000 miles (or however long of warranty you paid for).
Yeah - I agree. They know these transmissions, particularly those in the TSB VIN range, are at risk of failure. Their cost analysis says that most will last through the basic warranty and after that they don't care. If they did they would replace them like they are doing with the Tundra engines. I assume they are doing that because they predict it is cheaper than years of replacing those engines as they fail.
