2024 Trailhunter Alignment issues

[hadelson]

Hopefully, I can put this together without long summary. February 2025 noticed front tires wearing heavy on outside tread. For sure too much camber. Took it in for the 5000-mile check and yes dealer noticed this as well. So, they rotated back to front and took two days-two tries to align. Received the truck back and the camber is ridiculously too positive. Shown the spec and of course it is in range. This is what they gave me, and the front looked ridiculous with the pigeon toe look. Dealers started using sentences that this is what the alignment calls for. Nice picture ?

Front Left​			Front Right​
Actual​	Before​	Range​			Actual​	Before​	Range​
1.4​	1.6​	.07-2.2​	Camber​	1.4​	1.4​	.07-2.2​
​	​	​			​	​	​
2.9​	2.9​	2.3-3.8​	Caster​	2.6​	2.6​	2.3-3.8​
​	​	​			​	​	​
0.5​	0.61​	.43-.58​	Toe​	0.5​	0.87​	.43-.58​

Just returned from long road trip and mileage at just over 8100. The Front tires outside edge are cut down significantly. Keep in mind these were rotated in February from the back with no excessive wear. What the dealer found was no change from alignment completed in February. So, I asked why did the tires wear significantly. No answer. They did contact Toyota and this was their recommendation. Note the significant Camber change. It steers and ride is improved.

Front Left​			Front Right​
Actual​	Before​	Range​			Actual​	Before​	Range​
0.9​	1.4​	.07-2.2​	Camber​	0.7​	1.4​	.07-2.2​
​	​	​			​	​	​
2.4​	2.9​	2.3-3.8​	Caster​	2.7​	2.6​	2.3-3.8​
​	​	​			​	​	​
0.52​	0.5​	.43-.58​	Toe​	0.54​	0.5​	.43-.58​

I’ve had them open a TAS case and I opened a customer case. The simple question, if it was aligned to specification range, then why did it significantly wear the front tires. I am pushing them for tire replacement.

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[gasgasman]

My co worker has a TRD Pro with the same issue.

What do people do when they install a lift kit?

 

[Blackwater]

Hopefully, I can put this together without long summary. February 2025 noticed front tires wearing heavy on outside tread. For sure too much camber. Took it in for the 5000-mile check and yes dealer noticed this as well. So, they rotated back to front and took two days-two tries to align. Received the truck back and the camber is ridiculously too positive. Shown the spec and of course it is in range. This is what they gave me, and the front looked ridiculous with the pigeon toe look. Dealers started using sentences that this is what the alignment calls for. Nice picture ?

Front Left​			Front Right​
Actual​	Before​	Range​			Actual​	Before​	Range​
1.4​	1.6​	.07-2.2​	Camber​	1.4​	1.4​	.07-2.2​
​	​	​			​	​	​
2.9​	2.9​	2.3-3.8​	Caster​	2.6​	2.6​	2.3-3.8​
​	​	​			​	​	​
0.5​	0.61​	.43-.58​	Toe​	0.5​	0.87​	.43-.58​

Just returned from long road trip and mileage at just over 8100. The Front tires outside edge are cut down significantly. Keep in mind these were rotated in February from the back with no excessive wear. What the dealer found was no change from alignment completed in February. So, I asked why did the tires wear significantly. No answer. They did contact Toyota and this was their recommendation. Note the significant Camber change. It steers and ride is improved.

Front Left​			Front Right​
Actual​	Before​	Range​			Actual​	Before​	Range​
0.9​	1.4​	.07-2.2​	Camber​	0.7​	1.4​	.07-2.2​
​	​	​			​	​	​
2.4​	2.9​	2.3-3.8​	Caster​	2.7​	2.6​	2.3-3.8​
​	​	​			​	​	​
0.52​	0.5​	.43-.58​	Toe​	0.54​	0.5​	.43-.58​

I’ve had them open a TAS case and I opened a customer case. The simple question, if it was aligned to specification range, then why did it significantly wear the front tires. I am pushing them for tire replacement.

Did you ever find a fix?

 

[Jb83]

Did you ever find a fix?

Hoping to hear if anyone has had Toyota offer a fix or alignment specs yet? My 2025 Tacoma trailhunter did the exact same thing at 6k miles. All they did was blame it on my driving... 6k miles in 9 months ownership when I work from home and haven't taken it off-road, while keeping it in ECO; yeah bad driving/hotrodding. Smh.

 

[Wighty]

Looks just like my PRO. When I took it back to the dealer about 1 month into ownership (like July '24), the specs weren't out for the 24's yet. Now, they want to charge $150 to get it done.

 

[TacoFreak]

Looks just like my PRO. When I took it back to the dealer about 1 month into ownership (like July '24), the specs weren't out for the 24's yet. Now, they want to charge $150 to get it done.

Another good reason to stay away from the dealers. They don't have a clue and charge an arm and a leg for poor service. I would take it to a good independent shop for that price.

 

[AZTacoStand]

I went to discount tire to have mine aligned after putting a new suspension on my truck (2in lift with reservoirs) and I had the same issue. I did not notice until my tires starting wearing like crazy in the front

I got super lucky with them. They took blame for it being out of spec even tho their sheet says technically it is in spec, realigned and gave me 2 brand new tires ~$700 worth. I was shocked they actually took care of me. New alignment seems to be fine now. They spend a good amount of time getting it right. The GM actually did the alignment the second time to make sure it was right

But that is odd with the Trailhunter. I would think the spec for that is different and it would only show in spec if it was right at the dealer. Weird

 

[exia]

Hopefully, I can put this together without long summary. February 2025 noticed front tires wearing heavy on outside tread. For sure too much camber. Took it in for the 5000-mile check and yes dealer noticed this as well. So, they rotated back to front and took two days-two tries to align. Received the truck back and the camber is ridiculously too positive. Shown the spec and of course it is in range. This is what they gave me, and the front looked ridiculous with the pigeon toe look. Dealers started using sentences that this is what the alignment calls for. Nice picture ?

Front Left​			Front Right​
Actual​	Before​	Range​			Actual​	Before​	Range​
1.4​	1.6​	.07-2.2​	Camber​	1.4​	1.4​	.07-2.2​
​	​	​			​	​	​
2.9​	2.9​	2.3-3.8​	Caster​	2.6​	2.6​	2.3-3.8​
​	​	​			​	​	​
0.5​	0.61​	.43-.58​	Toe​	0.5​	0.87​	.43-.58​

Just returned from long road trip and mileage at just over 8100. The Front tires outside edge are cut down significantly. Keep in mind these were rotated in February from the back with no excessive wear. What the dealer found was no change from alignment completed in February. So, I asked why did the tires wear significantly. No answer. They did contact Toyota and this was their recommendation. Note the significant Camber change. It steers and ride is improved.

Front Left​			Front Right​
Actual​	Before​	Range​			Actual​	Before​	Range​
0.9​	1.4​	.07-2.2​	Camber​	0.7​	1.4​	.07-2.2​
​	​	​			​	​	​
2.4​	2.9​	2.3-3.8​	Caster​	2.7​	2.6​	2.3-3.8​
​	​	​			​	​	​
0.52​	0.5​	.43-.58​	Toe​	0.54​	0.5​	.43-.58​

I’ve had them open a TAS case and I opened a customer case. The simple question, if it was aligned to specification range, then why did it significantly wear the front tires. I am pushing them for tire replacement.

Ive gone to 4 off-road shops in LA who keep messing my alignment because they thought they knew better. Didn't go to spec and never measured, in my opinion. The most annoying thing is they think 207 ft-lbs is a recommendation and not a necessity.

After the failed attempt, I went to an independent shop that specializes in alignment, where they measured my vehicle with my lift kit. They got the same alignment values your truck got the second time.

It drives great, but the steering head is giving me issues. We tried correcting it, but it either went right or left, not straight.

Any update on your alignment specs?

 

[Porwal22]

Follow this it might help you.

https://www.tacoma4g.com/forum/threads/front-alignment-help-needed.22948/page-3#post-289364

The largest problem with lift kits is when changing suspension angles, it changes SAI & scrub radius. Or in easy terms, where the contact patch of the tire is in relation to the suspension. If it’s wrong, you’ll drag the tires on an angle, and they won’t last 6000 miles…

 

[Porwal22]

Just remember, the “in green” printout is only as good as the specs that are entered into the machine. Most are only for factory spec trucks. The minute you change the suspension, all factory specs in an alignment machine are off. Just because it’s in green, does not mean it is correct.
It’s compounded by aftermarket manufacturers making different upper and lower control arms. It changes angles to a point that you have to measure specific points and consult a lookup table (from Toyota) then manually enter specifications into the alignment machine.
Even then, you’ll have to try a few times to get it “OEM” perfect. It’s not an exact science.

 

[OminousSkitter]

Follow this it might help you.

https://www.tacoma4g.com/forum/threads/front-alignment-help-needed.22948/page-3#post-289364

The largest problem with lift kits is when changing suspension angles, it changes SAI & scrub radius. Or in easy terms, where the contact patch of the tire is in relation to the suspension. If it’s wrong, you’ll drag the tires on an angle, and they won’t last 6000 miles…

Just remember, the “in green” printout is only as good as the specs that are entered into the machine. Most are only for factory spec trucks. The minute you change the suspension, all factory specs in an alignment machine are off. Just because it’s in green, does not mean it is correct.
It’s compounded by aftermarket manufacturers making different upper and lower control arms. It changes angles to a point that you have to measure specific points and consult a lookup table (from Toyota) then manually enter specifications into the alignment machine.
Even then, you’ll have to try a few times to get it “OEM” perfect. It’s not an exact science.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, but what are you going on about? This thread is about new, OEM trucks showing abnormal tire wear while in spec, not people who lifted their trucks and now have issues.

 

[Porwal22]

I, including several other mechanics, have run into a problem where the specifications in some alignment machines are wrong. Doesn’t matter whether it is a stock trailhunter or an installed trd kit from Toyota. It’s still a modified suspension, and requires different specifications than what is in some alignment machines. Unless a dealer, or independent shop is manually entering specs based on KPI (or SAI) that Toyota uses, it is going to be incorrect.
Use this info however you want.

https://www.tacoma4g.com/forum/atta...ma-tacoma-hv-repair-manual-rm43b0u-pdf.29075/

As an example, there are over 30 specification variations that can be entered manually into an alignment machine just for a stock 2024 Tacoma. If you think a flat rate mechanic is going to take the time to go through this info, measure everything and manually input the info into the alignment machine, you are wrong. Very, very few will. This is why alignments are coming out wrong, not only at a dealership level, in regular shops as well.

 

[OminousSkitter]

I, including several other mechanics, have run into a problem where the specifications in some alignment machines are wrong. Doesn’t matter whether it is a stock trailhunter or an installed trd kit from Toyota. It’s still a modified suspension, and requires different specifications than what is in some alignment machines. Unless a dealer, or independent shop is manually entering specs based on KPI (or SAI) that Toyota uses, it is going to be incorrect.
Use this info however you want.

https://www.tacoma4g.com/forum/atta...ma-tacoma-hv-repair-manual-rm43b0u-pdf.29075/

As an example, there are over 30 specification variations that can be entered manually into an alignment machine just for a stock 2024 Tacoma. If you think a flat rate mechanic is going to take the time to go through this info, measure everything and manually input the info into the alignment machine, you are wrong. Very, very few will. This is why alignments are coming out wrong, not only at a dealership level, in regular shops as well.

I agree with you that just because a computer says it's in spec doesn't mean the specs are correct. There could be issues with the measurements or with the database when determining the specifications. But I ask again, why are you bringing up lift kits when the question is about a stock Trailhunter?

If a stock Trailhunter has a modified suspension, which trim(s) has an unmodified suspension? Really, I'm asking. Nearly every trim has its own flavor of suspension, so which one is considered the base?

The doc you posted doesn't mention which suspension is installed. It's based on steering rack type, front end height, and pitch. Forget about whatever is considered an unmodified suspension, just the variations within a trim like which cab, bed length, and powertrain change the alignment specs because they change the height and pitch. Even common modifications like tonneau covers and campers can change the alignment specs.

If a shop isn't taking the correct measurements, I'd assume their database takes into account at minimum year, make, model, trim, body style (i.e. cab and bed), and powertrain when determining the specs. Otherwise, the alignment specs will almost certainly be wrong. And this isn't just a Tacoma or Toyota problem -- year, make, and model are pretty much never enough on their own to determine alignment specs.

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