Bilstein products - any news yet?

[BAQ717]

I reached out to Alldogs about these when they made a teaser post about having the 4G 5100s in stock. the perch sits higher on the 5100 so there should be a small amount of lift even at the bottom setting. length wise, the email states that there is less than a 1/4" difference in length between the 2 both front and rear.

Here's some photos i was sent.

Overall, these don't necessarily look like an upgrade over the factory red Bils unless you want to lift with your OE spring.

I believe these OR Bilsteins are similar to what certain trims of the Bronco come with. Seems very similar, if not the same shock.

https://offroad.bilstein.com/en-us/a-look-inside-the-all-new-bilstein-escv-for-the-ford-bronco/

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[ThatBronze4G]

I believe these OR Bilsteins are similar to what certain trims of the Bronco come with. Seems very similar, if not the same shock.

https://offroad.bilstein.com/en-us/a-look-inside-the-all-new-bilstein-escv-for-the-ford-bronco/

they do look similar.

5100s would be an upgrade over base and TRD Sport shocks.

Also 5100s at the bottom setting are 1" of lift which is interesting. at least that's according to their site.

 

[Pappy]

I was at Overland Expo a few weeks ago. I talked with the Alldog folks about the 5100 shocks. I currently have their springs in front. They said don't bother. They really liked the red TRD-OR shocks.

 

[Powhunter]

I was at Overland Expo a few weeks ago. I talked with the Alldog folks about the 5100 shocks. I currently have their springs in front. They said don't bother. They really liked the red TRD-OR shocks.

That would be my assessment as well.

 

[DogsandaTruck]

If you want a this is a great step up from lifting using pucks but not a huge upgrade. This is great for people who want a little lift but don't want to use those cheap pucks or spacers that really hurt the ride.

Even if you did the 5100s, added a dobinson spring (I just like dobinsons) and put it all under a dobinson's tophat or the icon top hat piece, you're at 1275 bucks. That's the same price as the low level eibach set.

It has it's place. add installation you're at about 1750 for most folks. If you can do it yourself, it's a great alternative to the 1 inch pucks and you still have to do the exact same amount of work for those.

I like them. I always suggest if you're new to off roading and lifts, this is a great starter. If you find an issue, then you step up to big kits. I find that for most this is totally suitable for your weekend trail rides and it adds some lift so you can look a little tougher on your 33s.

 

[Powhunter]

If you want a this is a great step up from lifting using pucks but not a huge upgrade. This is great for people who want a little lift but don't want to use those cheap pucks or spacers that really hurt the ride.

Even if you did the 5100s, added a dobinson spring (I just like dobinsons) and put it all under a dobinson's tophat or the icon top hat piece, you're at 1275 bucks. That's the same price as the low level eibach set.

It has it's place. add installation you're at about 1750 for most folks. If you can do it yourself, it's a great alternative to the 1 inch pucks and you still have to do the exact same amount of work for those.

I like them. I always suggest if you're new to off roading and lifts, this is a great starter. If you find an issue, then you step up to big kits. I find that for most this is totally suitable for your weekend trail rides and it adds some lift so you can look a little tougher on your 33s.

How do small 1-1.5” spacers “really hurt” the ride?

 

[ThatBronze4G]

How do small 1-1.5” spacers “really hurt” the ride?

depends on the spacer type. if its a preload collar, then it increases preload on the spring which in turn makes for a more harsh ride. top hat spacers get rid of down travel so the shocks can top out over bumps and slam down.

 

[Powhunter]

depends on the spacer type. if its a preload collar, then it increases preload on the spring which in turn makes for a more harsh ride. top hat spacers get rid of down travel so the shocks can top out over bumps and slam down.

Apparently a lot of people don’t understand how a preload spacer works. While it is true that when you reassemble the coilover with the spacer, you need to compress the spring more than when you took it apart, in order to get the top hat nut back on. However, when you have the top hat re-installed and release the spring compressors the re-bounding spring will pull the shock piston upward by the thickness of the spacer. There is NO more tension in the spring than before the lift, but now the whole strut is longer due to the spacer. When the strut is re-installed on the truck, the spring rate is exactly the same but the truck sits higher. This however, does reduce shock down travel by the thickness of the spacer, but the stock TRD off-road shocks already have a bunch of extra travel built in due to the remote reservoirs for the sway bar disconnect mechanism.

Now if we switch of the idea of above coil top hat spacers, the whole coilover functions exactly the same as stock, as the spring rate and shock travel do not change at all the strut is just longer due to the spacer on top of it. The 4th gen Tacos don’t have frame mounted bump stops anymore, so this eliminates the downsides to above coil spacers on previous gens, assuming your stock ball joints can handle the lift, but this is true of ANY lift, including expensive coilovers.

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