Tacoma production moving from Mexico to San Antonio

[Will721]

I'm in the QC too!

I don't live in town anymore, but do work in town and of course come in for supplies. Wave if you see me, I don't bite. Hard...

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[JayTech]

My 2010 SR5 was built with union labor at Fremont, CA, no issues over 8 years.

My 2016 SR was built with non-union labor at San Antonio, TX, no issues over 8 years.

Union labor is irrelevant.

Production quality has nothing to do with the reliability. So the move from Mexico to USA serves no purpose but to create more American jobs(which is a good thing). Almost any reliability issues come down to poor part quality, which parts are made across the globe so there isn't necessarily one country to blame, in case anyone was worried about assembly moving to the same place as the very problematic Tundras.

 

[oxi]

Production quality has nothing to do with the reliability. So the move from Mexico to USA serves no purpose but to create more American jobs(which is a good thing). Almost any reliability issues come down to poor part quality, which parts are made across the globe so there isn't necessarily one country to blame, in case anyone was worried about assembly moving to the same place as the very problematic Tundras.

I would disagree, my 2016 SR Tacoma built in Texas never had one issue for 8 years and 123,000 miles built with non-union labor.

Same with my 2010 SR5 Tacoma built at NUMMI in Fremont, no issues over 8 years built with UAW labor.

 

[oxi]

Not to get too political, but good. I grew up in Davenport Iowa. That name may not mean too much to most people, but we were a major manufacturing power house in the Country. Case Harvester, International, John Deere, and even Maytag were just some of the brands that called this area home. All thats left of those here is John Deere. The rest all packed up and moved to Mexico displacing tens of thousands of jobs. Deere moves more of their operations there every year as well. They are all the highest paying jobs in the area of nearly half a million people. As more and more leave, the community has also degraded. Without competing job markets, its left Deere with the ability to treat the remaining employees like trash. You see the union contract success in the news, but not the continuous rolling layoffs costing people their homes.

I'm not saying overseas manufacturers are bad, but in my community atleast we are spinning around a black hole that will eventually destroy us. Its a slow burn, but literally every single one of our employers are outsourcing specifically to Mexico.

My Aunt and Uncle were Greek immigrants back in the 1970's to 1980's and they lived in the QC and he worked at one of the Deere facilities back then.

He made enough good money to move his family back to Greece in the late 1980's after many years of hard work.

We used to take Hwy. 2 from Illinois to the QC growing up, even went to a local Greek Orthodox Church there with our boat Chevy Impala, only 2-barrel carb. My Uncle had a nice 1970's 2-door Buick or Pontiac and he could fit the whole family of four in there.

The good ol days...

 

[JayTech]

I would disagree, my 2016 SR Tacoma built in Texas never had one issue for 8 years and 123,000 miles built with non-union labor.

Same with my 2010 SR5 Tacoma built at NUMMI in Fremont, no issues over 8 years built with UAW labor.

Again what I am saying is that where it is built has nothing to do with how reliable it is. Toyota has a set specific standard to production quality. The issues people are having with any Tacoma, comes down to part issues not assembly. Same with the Tundra. All the numerous different problems that are plaguing this gen Tundra, are not a result of assembly but a result of poor quality parts. So you having no issues with 2 previous gen Tacomas has nothing to do with where it was assembled, but is a result of parts just being made better. Every manufacturer is pushing to cut cost of production but keep prices the same or is increasing them. When labour isn’t the thing that can budge, it falls to parts being the item that takes the hit. And this is where everything is a problem. Parts are made soo cheaply using lesser quality materials, things rattle, creak, and break much easier than older vehicles.

 

[Rubenc87]

Does this mean that if they move production to TX and US jobs paying more to employees would mean that the prices would probably increase for the customer looking to buy?

 

[maxx075]

Does this mean that if they move production to TX and US jobs paying more to employees would mean that the prices would probably increase for the customer looking to buy?

That was my thinking

 

[TacoFreak]

Does this mean that if they move production to TX and US jobs paying more to employees would mean that the prices would probably increase for the customer looking to buy?

The Mexican production was definitely to cut costs, so Texas production probably does mean higher costs in the future. On the other hand US production means no import duties, so it is hard to say. Probably safe to say prices will go up no matter what happens. lol

 

[Rubenc87]

Good point regarding the import duties.

 

[CharlieLed]

One word...TARIFFS

 

[shackley]

All the hardware is the same. It's only the humans that assemble the hardware into a completed truck that would be different.
And humans are motivated by different things. Some are thankful for their jobs and take pride in their work. No matter what country they live in.
Some only care about Union Wages and benefits and can care less about the product they assemble.
I'm not sure their will be a difference in quality moving from Mexico to Texas.

I agree. I haven't had any issues with my TH from Guanajuato, but did have some issues with my Tacoma from San Antonio. Japan keeps a pretty close eye on production. The company relies on the "reliability" moniker, so it probably won't make much difference, except they'll have to raise the price given that the workers in Texas make more than in Mexico.

 

[IDontWorkForTheWaterCo]

I have a friend who spent some time at the San Antonio plant many years ago. He said they had some kind of rotating shift where the employees spent a few weeks on first shift then rotated to second shift for a few weeks. He said people seemed like walking zombies. I wouldn't think that would be healthy or conducive to quality. But I'm certainly no authority on that matter.

That said, Ive owned one from California, 2 from Texas and 3 from Baja. I feel like my current rig from Guanajuato rig has the best panel gaps and paint job of any of them. I can find no "seeds" or "craters" on any panel or thin paint in the door jambs or under the hood, etc. No of that could be said of any of my other rigs. The Baja rigs had terrible paint application. And one of my Texas trucks was a rattle trap.

Now Guanajuato might be using the same shitty Toyota paint as the rest of the plants, but at least they applied that shitty paint nicely.

 

[Texas Bob]

I wish the title of this thread could be changed, because it (and the whole story quoted at the top) are quite misleading. Thanks, CNBC! The factory that is going to stop making Tacomas has the lower production of the two current Mexico Tacoma facilities. Tacoma production, as someone noted above, will continue in Guanajuato. So don't get too excited, folks! And by the way, my Guanajuato truck's quality is very good so far. All the things I don't like about it were designed that way by Toyota. And my terrible dealer experience at three out of four I have patronized: Texans like me!

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