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Hell yeah! Can’t wait to see some official numbers and real world feedback. Especially for someone who is interested in modifying their truck with heavier accessories, this could be a huge, beneficial upgrade to add/maintain power.
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This guy does a great job summarizing the strengths and compromises in the 2.4Turbo engine. I'm still very curious about the "crankshaft hammering" Sheldon mentioned, specific to the MT tune, but I look forward to seeing the weak links emerge as the platform is pushed.
The MT is definitely tuned in a way that forces the driver to upshift to get to the torque.

They didnt want people to floor it in 6th gear at 1700RPM at 60mph, cause you'll knock the thing apart. Lugging is probably one of the worst things you can do for a modern DI turbo engine (these have conventional injection as well). Lugging is impossible in the automatic, but very possible in the manual.

They don't want a repeat of the Corolla GR situation where people were romping on it in 6th gear at 70MPH and wondering why it was ejecting it's internals all over the freeway 🤣 Best way to do that is to have the MT tune make less torque at low RPMs.

MT 4G is an unusual case here, many other modern gas 4 cylinder engines paired to a MT make peak torque below 2000RPM.

Idiot proofing the MT 4G kind of negated all the gains from the long stroke setup, since peak torque is now 1000RPM higher, making the RPM range where you can make power pretty narrow. Lame choice by Toyota but I guess they didn't want to test the bottom end durability when someone leaves the truck in 6th at 65MPH and floors it going up a grade with a trailer 🤣
 

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The MT is definitely tuned in a way that forces the driver to upshift to get to the torque.

They didnt want people to floor it in 6th gear at 1700RPM at 60mph, cause you'll knock the thing apart. Lugging is probably one of the worst things you can do for a modern DI turbo engine (these have conventional injection as well). Lugging is impossible in the automatic, but very possible in the manual.

They don't want a repeat of the Corolla GR situation where people were romping on it in 6th gear at 70MPH and wondering why it was ejecting it's internals all over the freeway 🤣 Best way to do that is to have the MT tune make less torque at low RPMs.

MT 4G is an unusual case here, many other modern gas 4 cylinder engines paired to a MT make peak torque below 2000RPM.

Idiot proofing the MT 4G kind of negated all the gains from the long stroke setup, since peak torque is now 1000RPM higher, making the RPM range where you can make power pretty narrow. Lame choice by Toyota but I guess they didn't want to test the bottom end durability when someone leaves the truck in 6th at 65MPH and floors it going up a grade with a trailer 🤣

Makes sense, and that I assumed based on the torque curves between the auto and MT, but I assumed Sheldon would have just said the MT is tuned to minimize the chances of Low Speed Pre-Ignition. "Crankshaft Hammering" can mean a lot of things, while LSPI is specific and would leave no ambiguity. When I hear crankshaft hammering, I ask if that is a thurst, or mabye a harmonic issue induced because the torque converter isn't there to dampen.
 

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Makes sense, and that I assumed based on the torque curves between the auto and MT, but I assumed Sheldon would have just said the MT is tuned to minimize the chances of Low Speed Pre-Ignition. "Crankshaft Hammering" can mean a lot of things, while LSPI is specific and would leave no ambiguity. When I hear crankshaft hammering, I ask if that is a thurst, or mabye a harmonic issue induced because the torque converter isn't there to dampen.
Yeah maybe he assumed LSPI would be too advanced of a term for the audience or something. Either way I think Toyota should have just uncorked the MT and let people figure out why their truck is making a terrible sound when they floor it at 65mph in 6th gear 🫨

You only get so many LSPI events for the lifetime of the engine.
 
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Will this work with the OTT tune 🤔 I have already?
Once Stage 3 is ready, you’ll need to upgrade from the Stage 1 OTT tune you already have. The hardware requires the calibration updates in Stage 3 to take advantage of the new flow potential.

Will the stock injectors be able to keep up?
On pump gas, the stock injectors have plenty of headroom to support the additional airflow. Where we expect to run into limits is with higher ethanol blends. OE injectors likely won’t have the capacity for that. We’ll confirm as testing continues.

Not sure I’ll ever do this - but on the hybrid you think I could get 450HP out of it with this bolt on?

This truck has plenty of low end power - it’s the power band after 3,000 RPM that drops off quick. It needs more upper end power. Basically the opposite of the third gen.
450 wheel horsepower on the hybrid is probably a stretch, but with the electric assist factored in, I think this turbo could put you quite close to 450 at the crank. We’ll know more once the dyno data comes in — I like to keep the “virtual dyno” claims in check. 😅

That said, this upgrade directly addresses the “falls on its face after 3,000 RPM” feel. Even our Stage 1 calibration (tune only) already fixes a lot of that without requiring any hardware changes. It pulls much harder to redline than the factory calibration. If you haven’t tried Stage 1 yet, it might give you exactly what you’re looking for at a much lower cost of entry.

Hell yeah! Can’t wait to see some official numbers and real world feedback. Especially for someone who is interested in modifying their truck with heavier accessories, this could be a huge, beneficial upgrade to add/maintain power.
Thanks for the enthusiasm and support. We'll be sure to keep you guys posted!
 

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Once Stage 3 is ready, you’ll need to upgrade from the Stage 1 OTT tune you already have. The hardware requires the calibration updates in Stage 3 to take advantage of the new flow potential.


On pump gas, the stock injectors have plenty of headroom to support the additional airflow. Where we expect to run into limits is with higher ethanol blends. OE injectors likely won’t have the capacity for that. We’ll confirm as testing continues.


450 wheel horsepower on the hybrid is probably a stretch, but with the electric assist factored in, I think this turbo could put you quite close to 450 at the crank. We’ll know more once the dyno data comes in — I like to keep the “virtual dyno” claims in check. 😅

That said, this upgrade directly addresses the “falls on its face after 3,000 RPM” feel. Even our Stage 1 calibration (tune only) already fixes a lot of that without requiring any hardware changes. It pulls much harder to redline than the factory calibration. If you haven’t tried Stage 1 yet, it might give you exactly what you’re looking for at a much lower cost of entry.


Thanks for the enthusiasm and support. We'll be sure to keep you guys posted!

Interesting - the last time I tried a tune it just felt like the truck had too much caffeine - if I could keep driving characteristics essentially unchanged but with more pull over 3,000 RPM I’d be sold - the throttle is plenty responsive as it is, especially in sport mode
 
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Interesting - the last time I tried a tune it just felt like the truck had too much caffeine - if I could keep driving characteristics essentially unchanged but with more pull over 3,000 RPM I’d be sold - the throttle is plenty responsive as it is, especially in sport mode
Give our Stage 1 calibration a try. We actually offer it in three variants, including one that keeps the factory throttle mapping completely stock, so you won’t get that “over-caffeinated” feel you experienced before.

What you will notice is stronger, smoother pull past 3,000 RPM without changing the character of the truck. If for any reason it’s not for you, any of our retailers can flash you right back to stock at no cost.

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As promised, here are the part numbers for all the parts you'd need to fully build/assemble a replacement on the bench, allowing for a direct 1:1 swap.

For those not interested in a full swap, the turbine gasket, oil feed, oil return, and coolant feed/return gaskets are about all you'd need.

I've gone ahead and color coded the list to indicate what needs to be replaced (per Toyota) and what is "optional". Anything in RED is what Toyota indicates are required. Anything in GREEN is optional if you want or need to replace additional parts.

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I'm also attaching the FSM Removal and Installation Instructions.
 

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As promised, here are the part numbers for all the parts you'd need to fully build/assemble a replacement on the bench, allowing for a direct 1:1 swap.

For those not interested in a full swap, the turbine gasket, oil feed, oil return, and coolant feed/return gaskets are about all you'd need.

I've gone ahead and color coded the list to indicate what needs to be replaced (per Toyota) and what is "optional". Anything in RED is what Toyota indicates are required. Anything in GREEN is optional if you want or need to replace additional parts.

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I'm also attaching the FSM Removal and Installation Instructions.
Are you sure that is the correct gasket part number for the manifold-head? My parts catalogue has that as a gasket for a 90s Supra. The part number I get for the manifold gasket is 17173-25040. All other part numbers in red look correct.
 
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Are you sure that is the correct gasket part number for the manifold-head? My parts catalogue has that as a gasket for a 90s Supra. The part number I get for the manifold gasket is 17173-25040. All other part numbers in red look correct.
Thank you for the catch! Not sure how that got mixed up. Will correct and update the image.

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Thank you for the catch! Not sure how that got mixed up. Will correct and update the image.

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No worries! I just quoted one of those for a customer this week, so I thought the number looked familiar. So I did a quick check for what does go on a Tacoma.
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